Sirius Black!
February 22, 2003 |
271 Comments
WARNING - Order of The Pheonix Spoilers in the Comments. Wish I didn’t look! Arrgh. - Keith
Gary Oldman has been tapped to play the role of Sirius Black in the next Harry Potter film.
Great job on that choice. Love Gary Oldman as Sirius. Cool.
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1. James said:
He was fantastic in “The Professional”
Posted on February 23, 2003 12:36 PM | #
2. rob dornbush said:
of Padfoot, Wormtail, Moony & Prongs [authors of the marauders map] Sirius {Padfoot) has got to be the most endearing surviving member…I can’t wait to see Gary Oldman change into a giant sized black dog (sort of like fang)…probably more akin to his role as Dracula than Drexel [-what’s a Drexel- from True Romance].
Posted on February 24, 2003 06:56 PM | #
3. Marla said:
I think he will do an excellent job as Sirius Black, I can’t wait to see him!
Posted on April 26, 2003 04:22 PM | #
4. amber said:
I’m sooo excited about this! I love Gary Oldman! When I heard he might play Sirius I was so happy! He is so awesome! I always think about Sid Vicious when I think of him! I can’t wait to see how he plays Sirius!
Posted on June 22, 2003 12:42 PM | #
5. said:
ish. Gary Oldman? Too bad ALan Rickman’s taken, he’d be really good… but NOT gary oldman.
Posted on June 25, 2003 08:32 AM | #
6. erin said:
gary oldman BETTER do a good job as Sirius…. Sirius is my favorite character, and i will be disappointed if he messes him up. from what i’ve heard, tho, he’s a good actor. i just hope they can make him look a lot like sirius…
Posted on June 25, 2003 08:41 AM | #
7. rari said:
i love sirius, and he should not have died, but hopefully oldman will do him justice
Posted on June 25, 2003 08:44 AM | #
8. hammetterna said:
nooooo, i wanted jason carter as sirius…. oh, well, i think oldman will do good
Posted on June 25, 2003 08:48 AM | #
9. Ilovesirius said:
Oldman HAS TO do a good job as Sirius….Sirius is my GOD…I think they should have picked someone younger though…Oldman just doesn’t have that Sirius-y sexy look
Posted on June 25, 2003 11:20 AM | #
10. Marie said:
One of the things I was afraid of as well when I heard that Gary was playing Sirius was that he might be too old. However, I saw a picture of him in his costume and he looks the part. I just hope he doesn’t mess up because SIRIUS IS THE BEST!! I agree, he should not have died. That was one of the most depressing things that has come out of Harry Potter. I’m afraid it’s going to be hard to watch the movies knowing what’s going to happen to him…
Posted on June 25, 2003 11:51 AM | #
11. said:
gary oldman better not mess sirius up!!! sirius is my favorite character and he shouldnt have died in the book!!! i thuoght sirius was supposed to be young and gary doesnt look very young. i hope sirius is still good in the movie,hes so cool in the book.
Posted on June 25, 2003 08:36 PM | #
12. Sabashii said:
Gary Oldman is an excellent choice for Sirius! ^^ Anyone who’s seen Bram Stoker’s Dracula with him in the starring role is bound to agree. Besides, Sirius IS Harry’s Godfather - at least the age his father would have been. That doesn’t exactly make you young. ^^; And biseinin are better than bishonen any day! XD Now if they we casting rolls for younger Sirius I’d have to say choose another guy, but for the age he is in Prisoner of Azkaban, that’s just about right. ^.~
Posted on June 26, 2003 03:36 AM | #
13. Luna Black said:
I hope Oldman does a good job of Sirius he WAS my fav charcter until JK had to go and kill him off…. *grumbles* oh i wish he hadn’t’ve died he really didn’t need too … i think they should’ve picked usmone younger he needs to b sexier … hope they do betta for remus
Posted on June 26, 2003 06:04 AM | #
14. erin said:
gary oldman has to be my favourite actor, i have loved him for years and i am very excited that he’s going to be sirius…haven’t read order of the pheonix yet, but i figured it would have to be sirius who died cos he’s my favourite character. i have no doubt in my mind that gary oldman will do justice to the part and anyone who has any doubts about this should really check out some of his movies. i think he’s beautiful and very versatile.
Posted on June 26, 2003 11:04 PM | #
15. mad @ JK said:
HEY!!! Where can I see a picture of Oldman as Sirus?? I reckon they could make him look just like he does in my head cause he manages to look like a totally different person in every film! And he may be a little old (AND I didn’t agree with the coice at first) but I think it’s perfect! He IS beautyful and he’s got that whole half-crazed-look-type-thing going! YAY!
Posted on June 27, 2003 06:05 AM | #
16. Callie said:
I haven’t seen Gary Oldman act before, but i hope he’s good at it! Sirius is…WAs now, grr…the best of all! He’s my favortie character of course. I was so shocked and mad when he was killed, and I’m still wishing that J.K. Rowling will make him come back to life. I’ve been searching for at least one picture of the actor as Sirius Black, and I haven’t found one yet. If they ruin the image of Sirius that I have in my head, I won’t be able to enjoy the movie. Bye.
Posted on June 27, 2003 12:00 PM | #
17. Rose said:
rickman would have been better. oldman just doesnt look the part of dear Sirius. i wish he didnt die at the end of pheonix. Sirius was- and still is- my all time favorite actor. i was MOST upset at JK when I found out he died.
Posted on June 27, 2003 12:29 PM | #
18. Emily said:
I’m trying to look up a picture as Gary Oldman as Sirius Black but I can’t find him either……I was SOOOOOOOO angry when he died in the book!!!! But I think Harry will be able to see him again because remember he heard whispering behind that curtain and remember what Luna Lovegood said about how she was going to see her mother again! Why did he die? That was who Harry was going to live with at the end of the books…..or so I hoped. I miss him already. I cryed when he died, and how Dumbledore said that Harry meant the world to Sirius! I didn’t want him to die! Now Harry has lost the only Father type figure he has ever had. Gary Old man has better do him justice!!! OR the director and Oldman will be hearing from me!!!
Posted on June 27, 2003 03:20 PM | #
19. jas said:
i couldn’t see alan rickman as sirius now that he’s played snape I like him better as snape gary’s a good actor!
Posted on June 28, 2003 05:23 AM | #
20. erin t. said:
sirius has been my favorite character ever since i read the 3rd book, and i liked him even b4 i knew he was innocent. if oldman doesn’t do him justice, i will be most displeased, and i agree that they shoulda picked someone younger, but i think it’ll be ok. i think jk should definitely make sirius come back to life or SOMETHING. i didn’t have a favorite person 4 the 1st 2 books, then when i do get one, she has to go and kill him! i don’t think i’ll be able to handle it if the 5th book becomes a movie…i’ll be cryin’ when he dies. he was the coolest guy, but to calm myself down, i hafta remind myself that it’s just a book, but it doesn’t work, because i loved sirius so much! AAHHHH! she killed him! does anyone know where to see oldman as sirius? he better look like him, because if he doesn’t, i’ll be mad. that’s the trouble with bringing a book to the screen. i have this image of a hot guy with long, black hair who loves harry and is a bit irresponsible at times, so oldman better do good!
Posted on June 28, 2003 10:30 AM | #
21. Marie said:
I don’t think he’s gonna stay dead. He has too important of a role in the book to be killed off just like that, and the spell shot at him wasn’t Avada Kedavara because that’s a green light and she said that the spell that hit him was red. Plus, his whole body disappeared. When Cedric died, his body remained there. Why didn’t Sirius’s? I’m convinced he’s not dead. And if it is true that he is dead, I think he’ll come back in some form (portrait, maybe?) Just wait, he’ll be back!
Posted on June 28, 2003 11:30 AM | #
22. ilovesirius said:
I really really hope he does come back…they’ll find a way to bring him back somehow, I agree. Even though he’s supposed to be harrys godfather he’d only be about 35 which is still a lot younger than oldman but still none of the actors i’ve seen people voting to play sirius looked like I imagined him…wonder who’ll play hogwarts-sirius?
Posted on June 28, 2003 12:26 PM | #
23. siriusisourfavexconvict said:
I personally haven’t seen Gary Oldman in a ton of things, and so when I heard he was playing Sirius, I was a little angry since everytime I hear Gary’s name I think of him being that terrorist in the movie ‘Air Force One’. ^_^;; Sirius has always been my fav character, so Gary better do a great job… I cried like a baby when Sirius died. BUT, the way I see it, there IS an opening for him to come back in future books. Think about it, no one REALLY explained what that veil was, correct? And if it’s at the Ministry of Magic, then there might be a way to reverse the effects! Haha! ….. Maybe I’m just trying to make myself feel better, but it is a possibility!! ^^
Posted on June 28, 2003 03:20 PM | #
24. Elle said:
I loved Sirius, I cried when he died. I agree that Sirius should be sexier, but not much younger than Gary. Keep in mind Sirius is in his fourties! I would go for Viggo Mortensen who is the same age as Gary (born in 1958) but is a little more sexy. Viggo had the look I pictured for Sirius down in Lord of the Rings. Unfortunately he’s American not British. If I were casting I would take British and American actors but I’m not so I’ll have to watch Gary play Sirius. Anyway no doubt he’ll do well!
Posted on June 28, 2003 04:57 PM | #
25. Marie said:
If Viggo were chosen to play Sirius, he would be a VERY rich man! (Between Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter…whew!) I actually pictured Sirius to look like that as well, but I wouldn’t be able to take him as seriously as Sirius because I’ve already seen him as Aragorn. It would be too weird to see two of my favorate literary characters played by the same person.
Posted on June 29, 2003 12:39 PM | #
26. said:
i agree with some people here. sirius is the best character and he’s not the type of person to die. i’ve been wondering and i really think he might not be dead. i also want to know what’s behind the veil but i suppose i’ve got to wait til the sixth book. get a move on, JK!!! i think gary oldman will be alright but they should have chosen someone better… like keanu reeves!!!
Posted on June 29, 2003 02:18 PM | #
27. Shannimoo said:
I was so upset when JK killed off Sirius! He was my all time favorite charactor. This Oldman dude better be sexy bcuz thats how i invisioned him.and I will be SO mad if I see him in the movie and he is old and ugly. I mean, he is supposed to be kind of old, but not that old. Where can I find pics of Oldman in his Sirius Black Costume??
Posted on June 29, 2003 04:41 PM | #
28. Kay Kay said:
I’ve never heard of this Gary dude, but whoever he is he better do the best job humanly possible because I not gonna be happy if he destroys my favorite character!! :) I don’t think anyone could portray Sirius exactly the way we all see him because we all have our own different pictures of him in our minds, so no actor would probably satisfy us wholly, but at least Oldman can do his best. What made me really upset in the Order of the Phoenix was how he just got nicked by what looked like a stunning spell so easily and then just fell into “the veil” which JK never even explained what it was and he disappeared with the worst last words ever: “Come on, can’t you do any better than that?”. I didn’t see his death coming, but even more than that I wasn’t expecting him to go THAT easily! :’(
Posted on June 29, 2003 06:40 PM | #
29. Adriana said:
I was soooo disappointed to hear Gary Oldman would be playing Sirius! Gary Oldman is too old and just plain ugly, no, more like fugly! They should have chosen a HOT, SEXY guy in his thirties. Hugh Jackman in would have been SEXY enough.
Posted on June 29, 2003 11:27 PM | #
30. kate said:
SHE KILLED HIM!! SHE KILLED SIRIUS BLACK!!! ROWLING HAD BETTER MAKE HIM COME BACK TO LIFE!!! I CRIED MY HEART OUT WHEN SIRIUS DIED I FELT LIKE I HAD LOST SOMEONE I HAD KNOWN FOREVER!! WHO IS HARRY GOING TO RIGHT TO?! WHO WILL TAKE CARE OF HIM?! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE WILL SOMEONE RIGHT TO JK ROWLING AND TELL HER TO BRING HIM BACK!! ALL IS LOST WITHOUT HIM!!! E-MAIL ME AT KATESCOOLWEB@HOTMAIL.COM TALK TO ME IF YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL!! :’( :’( :’( :’( :’( :’( :’( XXXX
Posted on June 30, 2003 03:07 AM | #
31. ilovesirius said:
WAIT IVE GOT IT…I BET HE WAS STUNNED! Adava Kedavra is GREEN and the light shot at Sirius was RED like STUNNERS…that could be why he didn’t come back up…I bet they’ll find some way to bring him back to life the books just gonna be so DULL if Sirius isn’t there - he was so SEXY
Posted on June 30, 2003 10:39 AM | #
32. BlightBublz said:
Great Casting!!!Gary Oldman is an brilliant actor. He has this chamaeleon-like ability to emerge himself into a character so well that sometimes you don’t realize it’s him. I must have seen “Sid & Nancy” 3 times before I realized he was playing Sid Vicious. Another one of his best roles was in “Love and a 45”, he played the pimp/drug dealer. I can’t wait to see him as Sirius!
Posted on June 30, 2003 11:30 PM | #
33. TheonetrueSiriusluver said:
I’ve never seen Gary Oldman…but I guess if he’s good enough for Dracula, he’s good enough for Sirius. (I hope I don’t eat my words at the movie!) Sirius is my very favourite character & always will be, he’ll never be dead in my heart…
And, by the way, Sirius is NOT old, Lupin was described as early 30’s & Sirius is the same age! Anyway, Brad Pitt is 40 & girls still like HIM.
Posted on July 1, 2003 02:52 PM | #
34. Marie said:
I have another theory as to why Sirius might come back to life. Remember when they were in the Department of Mysteries and that Death Eater put his head in that liquid and his head turned into that of a baby’s? I’m thinking that might be foreshadowing how Sirius will come back. (a kind of re-birthing maybe?) I dunno, it’s just an idea.
Posted on July 1, 2003 03:36 PM | #
35. maya said:
there is no way Sirius is dead. I refuse to believe that he is dead. I think that lupin was plotting against him and that is why he wouldnt let Harry pull back the veil. besides, if Sirius is dead, who is Rowling going to kill next, Harry? I dont like dumbledore, either. remember, it said in the 4th book that when harry told him that voldemort could touch him, ther was a look of something like triumph in his eyes… I dont trust anybody in these books, except harry.
Posted on July 2, 2003 08:31 AM | #
36. nikki said:
urm I haven’t relly seen many piccys of Gary Oldman. so does ne1 know of ne sites????
Posted on July 2, 2003 10:21 AM | #
37. Brittany said:
SIRIUS IS DEAD…NOOOOOOOOO! IT ISN’T FAIR AT ALL! I AGREE WITH THE OTHER PEOPLE, HE HAS TO COME BACK TO LIFE, HE BETTER HAVE JUST BEEN STUNNED! Oldman can play him I guess, I wish they picked someone a bit younger though. SIRIUS WAS SOOO GREAT! HE WAS MY FAVORITE CHARACTER EVER SINCE I FOUND OUT THAT HE EXISTED! HE WAS SOOO SEXY, TOO!
Posted on July 2, 2003 03:03 PM | #
38. mydirtyego said:
tsch. a big fat BLEH to gary oldman. im not so impressed by his acting skills so far and im doubtful that he’ll do justice to dear sirius. im off to kill the casting director.
Posted on July 2, 2003 09:39 PM | #
39. Yoshi Chan said:
I refuse to read any more editions of Harry Potter until someone has told me that Sirius is alive. I’m furious to learn that the only character worth reading the book about died! And the way he died! HE FELL! WHAT KIND OF AN END IS THAT TO THE BEST KNOWN CHARACTER???!!!! If it was in fact the bitter in end to him….and I hope not…then have a better way for him to die at least! Like some last words to Harry or something. I am so cheesed off.
Posted on July 3, 2003 09:27 AM | #
40. jen said:
Gary Oldman will make a good Sirius Black, I hope! After all, Sirius has had a hard life, 13 years in Azkaban, so he must be aged a bit. Remeber in book 3 when Harry first saw his picture in the Prophet he thought he looked just like a vampire. Gary has some experience playing vampires, so it should work well. You can’t have someone too clean cut and handsome playing Sirius Black or it won’t work. This is book 3 after all, and he just escpaped from prison and is hiding out! I think Gary Oldman will be great, and for the record, I always thought he was sexy!
Posted on July 3, 2003 10:23 AM | #
41. ilovesirius said:
Yeah I see what you mean about he can’t be too clean cut but they can still find someone younger (he IS in his early thirties in the 3rd book) and sexier and rough him up a bit…I’m just hoping they pick someone sexy to play him at hogwarts now in the flashbacks…
Posted on July 3, 2003 10:38 AM | #
42. Queen said:
I too was deeply sadden when Sirius was killed. I am less enthusiastic about reading the next book. He was definitely the most exciting character in the series. Based on how he was kill, I am hoping his character will re-surface. Someone had mentioned casting actor Jason Carter as Sirius. He is younger and sexier than Gary Oldman. I’m not sure about either’s ability to act, but Jason Carter is definitely better looking.
Posted on July 3, 2003 11:12 AM | #
43. Tanya said:
Gary Oldman is perfect for the job. Sirius was also a favorite character for me in the potter stories and I have no doubt, whatsoever, that Mr. Oldman can do it! Look up photos of him on his websites–particularly The Scarlet Letter. He has long hair in this movie and if I were to put in human form how I see Sirius–he is HIM! Check out Immortal Beloved–I think that is my favorite movie of his (he plays Beethoven). I have been searching for character photos in Azkaban sites too but the only thing I could come up with was a teaser POA movie poster with the words”Don’t Look Behind You” with Mr. Oldman in part shadow. Looked good to me! the site was The Harry Potter Network–http://thehpn.rupture.net/ Remember that when we see him in POA he is a hardened “criminal”–one who is on the run. It would be hard to keep up a model appearance. Personally I can’t bring to mind any “sexy” criminals anyway. Like I said check out the Scarlet Letter (fast forward the parts with Demi Moore) If you want to see sex appeal and wonder if Mr. Oldman can dish it out, I’m for seconds!!
Posted on July 3, 2003 02:25 PM | #
44. Marie said:
Tanya, I did what you said and checked out some pictures from The Scarlet Letter. Be proud, you convinced me that maybe Oldman can pull of the Sirius job (if he still looks like he did in TSL!)
Sexy, Sexy!!
Posted on July 5, 2003 09:24 AM | #
45. Audrey said:
I AM GOING TO WRIT TO ROWLING AND I HAD BETTER GET A GOOD REASON FOR THE DEATH OF SIRIUS!!!!!! HE WAS SOO BEAUTIFUL!!! AND SEXY!!! AND HE DIED!!!!! I CRIED SOO MUCH WHEN I READ THAT!!!!! WHY DID HE DIE??? WHY??!! HE WAS NOT USELESS IN ANY WAY AND WE ALL LOVED HIM!!!! AND WUT’S UP WITH HARRY?! HE WAS BEING SO FLIPPY AND JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS AND BEING A TEENAGER, THAT KINDA PISSED ME OFF!!!!! IF SIRIUS DOESN’T COME BACK IN THE NEXT BOOK, I’M COMMITING SUICIDE!!!!
Posted on July 5, 2003 02:43 PM | #
46. Audrey said:
Hi again, so, now that my little shouting fit has subsided, i would like to ask; who is gary oldman??? i saw the picture and i saw air force one, but he’s soo freaking old!!! Sirius, was sexy and beautiful and young!!(well, younger than that) anyway, that’s my complaint, find someone new!!!
Posted on July 5, 2003 02:49 PM | #
47. Marie said:
He did look a little old in Air Force One. I’m not sure how old he is really, but I can tell you he’s not as young as I pictured Sirius to be. In spite of that, I think he’ll end up doing a fantastic job. Besides, I think he might have had to look a little bit older for Air Force One. So maybe he looks better in real life than he did in that movie. Plus, I’m sure that the make-up artists working on the PoA will be able to fix him up well enough to look like Sirius. Don’t worry! :)
Posted on July 5, 2003 04:10 PM | #
48. BlightBublz said:
I just wanted to correct myself on a previous post. I said that Gary Oldman had been in “Love and a 45” as the pimp/drug dealer. The movie I was thinking of was in fact “True Romance”. Please forgive my mistake…thanx, Blight
Posted on July 6, 2003 12:15 AM | #
49. ilovesirius said:
Well I suppose they CAN do wonders with make up and stuff, but did anyone see that released shot of him as Sirius? It was kind of this Aragon thing, and while Viggo is sexy enough in his own way, that is NOT how I pictured Sirius…I always though of a boyishly handsome thing…just emaciated and a little older…he WAS only early/mid thirties, same age as Lupin and more than once JK described him as “quite young”…*grumbles*
Posted on July 6, 2003 10:09 AM | #
50. audrey ana said:
gary oldman is old!!!! it’s in the name; old-man!!
sirius was sexy and like 36 or so, this guy’s like 43!!! its messed, i don’t want to see the movie if sirius is old.
Posted on July 6, 2003 03:19 PM | #
51. Whitney said:
I am furious just like everyone else! I really can’t believe Sirius is DEAD! He was my fav. character! And, I mean, so he wasn’t a real live person, but when he “died”, it made me cry just like it were a real person! :( He can’t be dead! He just can’t be! I don’t think he is. I mean, what’s up with that veil? And you can’t just die from a Stun spell, can you? I’m convincing myself that he is NOT dead. Did it make anyone else mad, besides me, that at the end Harry finds the present Sirius gives him, realizes it doesn’t work now, and smashes it? Makes me mad because he should have opened it earlier instead of stuffing it away! Blah. He better not be dead!
Posted on July 6, 2003 08:35 PM | #
52. ilovesirius said:
I think he got stunned and fell behing the veil, and they’ll get him back in the next book, maybe a live person stuck in the afterlife thing…ok I’m just trying to make myself feel better…
Posted on July 7, 2003 10:20 AM | #
53. ilovesirius said:
I think he got stunned and fell behing the veil, and they’ll get him back in the next book, maybe a live person stuck in the afterlife thing…ok I’m just trying to make myself feel better…and yeah the mirror thing really made me mad, when Harry was trying to get into Umbridges fire I was starting to think I imaginied the bit where Sirius gave him the present.
Posted on July 7, 2003 10:21 AM | #
54. Kitty cat said:
i am so mad with JK she should not have killed him!!! he was my fav character!! i cried every time they mentioned his name arfter his death. i do not think oldman can be sirius he is way to old + sirius is supossed to be sexy!! i hope she brings him back into the story! Harry could go back in time with a time turner and save him or SOMTHING (anything to get him back into the story)
bye
Posted on July 7, 2003 10:52 AM | #
55. Kitty cat said:
i am so angery with JK she should not have killed him!!! he was my fav character!! i cried every time they mentioned his name arfter his death. i do not think oldman can be sirius he is way to old + sirius is supossed to be sexy!! i hope she brings him back into the story! Harry could go back in time with a time turner and save him or SOMTHING (anything to get him back into the story)
bye
Posted on July 7, 2003 10:52 AM | #
56. bebop girl said:
Okay, I think there is waaaaaay too much JK Rowling bashing going on! AND, there are way too many delutional images of Sirius going on. I, like so many others, love Sirius. I love who he was for Harry and the story, BUT he was sexy BEFORE he was in Azkaban. Have you missed any of the other descriptions of him? Try re-reading PoA. AND he was NOT in his mid to early 30s. That is NOT possible and I will tell you why. One: They graduated at age 17. Two: They went to Auror training (which is 3 years as said in Phoenix). Three: James and Lily were said to have been very good and successfully thwarted Voldemort 3 TIMES before Harry was born! (I don’t think this was done when they were “aurors in training”) Four: when compairing how old Harry is to how long Sirius was in Azkaban, Harry was close to 1 year of age when his parents died. Remember: Sirius, James, and Remus are the SAME AGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Therefore, Sirius has to be about 40 when he meets Harry! AT THE YOUNGEST! Now, I cryed when Sirius died, in fact I threw the book across the room, but JK hasn’t writen ANYTHING in her books without a good reason. She has NOT let us down, yet (at least not me) Will we see Sirius again in some form? I don’t know, one can only hope. But, if he had to die, then I will trust her with that, and remember: It is just a book! It is a really good book, but even JK has said that it isn’t her entire life, should it be yours?
Posted on July 7, 2003 04:09 PM | #
57. bebop girl said:
BTW: Love Gary Oldman! I think he will be outstanding as Sirius Black!
Posted on July 7, 2003 04:11 PM | #
58. Yoshi Chan said:
I believe that the purpose in the tragic demise of Sirius Black was to have an increase in moral character in Harry. In the book, he was a rotten and annoying brat that hated things when they didn’t go his way and always made a point of complaining about it. This ought to shut him up. He should find new respect for life and honor for those who still care enough to stand on his side. I suppose that if we do find that Sirius didn’t die that it will be found in one of the last chapters of the seventh book. Otherwise, Harry will not grow and develop from the experience. It had to be Sirius or else it would not be enough to change him. Sad as it may seem, it was best for the series overall. And I will be true to my previous statement; I will not read any more books until I have learned of his return. I believe that Rowling has to understand that there is more to the book than the main character. Until that time, the series is dead to me.
Posted on July 7, 2003 08:46 PM | #
59. Kitty cat said:
hi it’s me again i just want to say sorry if i sent my complaint 2 times because i sent it then i made mad into angery so sorry you must think i am a total freak! anyway i still do not think that gary could be sirius he is just to old! what is he in his 50 something? but sirius is supossed to be like 40! and just before i go HAVE ANY OF YOU FOUND A PICTURE OF HIM AS SIRIUS? (sorry)
bye
P.S i think it should be Keanu!
Posted on July 8, 2003 05:45 AM | #
60. bebop girl said:
Gary Oldman is 45. If you think he looks too old, try doing a search for Gary Oldman and look at the pics on the “Dark Side of Gary Oldman” site. I don’t think he (Sirius Black) is suppost to look his exact age anyway. Remember, 12 years in Azkaban has to have aged him more than his years.
Posted on July 8, 2003 01:07 PM | #
61. bebop girl said:
I don’t think Rowling has a hard time realizing that there is more to the book than the main character. She is the AUTHOR!!! And, it is her baby. Haven’t any of you read the artical about her writing the book.(It was in an issue of Time) She said she cryed when she killed Sirius, but when her husband told her not to do it if it made her feel that way (BTW he didn’t even know who she was killing). However, she said it was necessary. If you are going to stop reading the books because she did something you didn’t like. Then it is YOUR LOSS not hers! She has a plan. It is HER BOOK! If you can’t trust her in it, then write your own darn book!!!! Do not presume you know what is suppost to happen.
Posted on July 8, 2003 01:15 PM | #
62. Yoshi Chan said:
You’re putting words in my mouth, chicky. And the self ordained ‘losses’ I must ‘endure’ I can do myself. Don’t waste your time trying to put me in my place because you lack the education to do so in the first place. And if it’s pity, then safe it. For everyone else out there, Kira from Angel Sanctuary could be the correct image of Sirius I think you are looking for. Just a thought. Later
Posted on July 8, 2003 07:46 PM | #
63. Kitty cat said:
well you would say that would’nt you bebop girl because you are 1 of his fans and i most admit he is a good actor but i just dont think he is the right sirius sorry but i just dont!
Posted on July 11, 2003 10:00 AM | #
64. bebop girl said:
I seem to have kinked a few nerves in places. I am sorry if I find it disterbing that people are more interested in having the “flavor-of-the-month-heart-throb-of-every-teenage-girl-around” playing a part opposite of great actors like: Alan Rickman, Dame Maggie Smith, Robbie Coltrane, Warwick Davis, just to name a few. Keanu, though has done well with some action films (because he didn’t have many lines), can not hold a candle to these big names. Plus, I think you may be asking too much of him to fake a british accent. Try to be true to the character and not to budding hormones. Such actions could be detrimental to Harry Potter fans of ALL ages.
Posted on July 11, 2003 05:17 PM | #
65. Kitty cat said:
i supose we should give Gary a chance but if he does not do well the directer will be hearing from me!
Posted on July 12, 2003 04:47 AM | #
66. justine said:
sirius cannot be dead, because:
1. it would be very bad for the sales of the next volume (I, for one, absolutely refuse to buy it if he’s not coming back)
2. jkr has put a lot of effort into making him the most intriguing, complex, sexy character - it’s quite pointless to kill him off before he gets a chance to play any role in the whole voldemort-is-coming-back story
3. harry is so guilt-ridden (righly so) at the moment that he could never find peace and happiness if forever stuck with the knowledge that his lack of occlumency skills killed his godfather.
by the way, I just hated the way in which harry was denied even a conversation through the mirror or something -
and an author can’t just do that to people!!!!!!
Posted on July 12, 2003 04:02 PM | #
67. Alexandra said:
OH MY GOD! I can’t beleive they killed Sirius Black!He was my all time fav. person. I had dreams about him all the time and i imagined him really SEXY. I was always excited about reading the Harry Potter series and now i dont want to read them that much anymore.Alan Rickman should of played Sirius. He has that “i dont take no crap from nobody” look. I’m going to look far and wide to find JK’s address and mail her and tell her to bring Sirius back! I can’t believe Sirius died! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Sirius was supposed to be there 4EVER! Another person to play Sirius should of been Sean Bean. He would be good
Posted on July 12, 2003 06:17 PM | #
68. Alexandra said:
I don’t want to have gary oldman play sirius.
he is to old. wen Sirius died i turned into a blubbering baby! the worst part was i was in the car and a sad song was playing wen he died. i was like NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! he was the best. I’m reading the series over again so sirius wont be dead again until i read the 5 book. I’m so mad a JK. Sirius was so nice and SEXY!WWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. I’m going to get back at JK she is such a @(^>%…….
Posted on July 12, 2003 06:27 PM | #
69. ana said:
I found out about Sirius´ death before I read it and I almost fainted. The moment Harry had that vision of Voldemort torturing Sirius, I knew what was going to happen, but at least, I expected some kind of more heroic death. It was not even Voldemort killing him! I figured out that Sirius was going to give his life to defend Harry or something, standing between Voldemort and Harry and saying: “I don´t care about my killing, I´m glad to die for you, like I´d have died for your parents, Harry”. I was sure I´d cry if I found something of the sort, but I got angry instead, that absurd way of dying, fighting against his cousin with nothing to do with Harry against Voldemort. I agree it doesn´t look like a real death, but then Dumbledore says he´s dead, even Nick says he won´t come back. If Rowling wanted to give us a shock, she knew how to get it. In spite of Sirius´ death or whatever it is, I think this is one of the best books in the series. I guess Gary Oldman will do great, but I´m sure that Ralph Fiennes would do ten times better. He´s 41 and has those incredible and wild eyes, I always imagined him playing that part at the haunted house in the third book. If you´ve seen him at Wuthering Heigths you´ll know what I mean. You can see a pic here: http://ralphfiennes.hypermart.net/gallery/wh1.jpg
Posted on July 13, 2003 02:41 PM | #
70. Courtney said:
I think Gary Oldman will be great to play as Sirius. I hope he does a great job because Sirius Black is my all time FAVORATE character. Even though he died he still is my FAVORITE character. Marie I hope your right about Sirius that he’s not dead and all. I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO STAND IT.But then again JK ROWLING knows best. I’m a huge Harry Potter fan. All my friends get annoyed when I keep talking about the book. I cryed when I read that Sirius Black had died because Sirius Black was always there for Harry to talk to and never let Harry down. He was like a second dad to Harry and when Sirius Black died I felt like I lost someone very important to me. I’m making my twin sister read the books and I told her that she won’t be able to put the book down once she reads the 5th book. The 5th book is the best book yet. On the Saturday that it came out I asked and begged my mom to get it and then I started redying the book in the STORE!!!!!!!!! Even the first page was interesting and every page got better and better. I hope JK ROWLING will take her time on the 6th book because it will be even better with a lot of thinking. I hope JK ROWLING will make more than 7 Harry Potter books because I want to know if he becomes an Auror or something.I hope that Daniel Radcliffe will play Harry Potter for all of the movies( if they make all the movies).Because Daniel Radcliffe is a good Harry Potter and he’s CUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope Gary Oldman will do the best he can and act as Sirius Black does( angry and throwing an angry fit, happy and putting up decorations and singing, and sad that Harry Potter is not happy). I hope they will finish up the 3rd movie because I want to see it so BBBBAAAADDDD!!!!!!!!! Harry Potter books are better than any other books. JK ROWLING is my ultimite favorite author.I wish I was a witch and could do spells and have a wand. I wish they would let Daniel Radcliffe help pick who will play Cho Chang because what if Daniel Radcliffe knew that person and they were enemy’s. Anyways I LOVE HARRY POTTER BOOKS AND I HOPE THAT THEY WILL HURRY UP AND GET THET MOVIE OUT I CAN’T WAIT ANY LONGER!!!!!!!!!!!!! In the meantime I’m readying all the books again. Gary Oldman will do just fine as Sirius Black(I HOPE!!!!!) BYE!!!!:)
Posted on July 13, 2003 07:45 PM | #
71. Courtney said:
It is so hard to put down the harry potter books!
Posted on July 13, 2003 07:49 PM | #
72. Kitty cat said:
JK must of killed sirius for a reson, like she always does have 1 for somthing ! but have any of you seen the interveiu where she says “as soon as people get the mesage i change it” so he might come back! well i dont know but it is possible. but if he does not come back then there must be a good reason and i respect what she does.
Posted on July 14, 2003 04:07 AM | #
73. ana said:
In an interview, Rowling says that Sirius´ death is definitive, and that she wanted to teach a lesson, about how unpredictable and unfair death sometimes is! OK! Good lesson! But she could have chosen someone else and not that great man!
Posted on July 14, 2003 06:06 AM | #
74. Piper said:
ARRGH…JK ROWLING, HOW COULD SHE!! HE WAS MY ABSOLUTE FAV* CHARACTER, HOW COULD SHE JUST KILL HIM, SHE has TO BRING HIM BACK, SOMEHOW-SOMEWAY!!!
WHO IS GARY OLDMAN…lol…I WAS PICTURING SOMEONE YOUNGER WHO IS DROP-DEAD SEXY TO THE BONE…YOU KNOW:TALL, DARK, AND DID I MENTION HANDSOME!!! THAT’S JUST HOW I PICTURED OUR BELOVED PADFOOT!!! (VIGGO MORTENSEN IS A GOOD IDEA–GET THAT TO THE DIRECTOR FOR ME…PLEASE~*~*~)
THE HARRY POTTER BOOKS ARE SO GOOD I JUST DIDN’T WANT TO PUT THEM DOWN…EVER! I CRIED MY EYES OUT TILL MY HEAD THROBBED…
D*MN JK!!! GOOD BOOK, BAD THOUGH, HER KILLLING OFF SIRIUS-HARRY’S GODFATHER!!!
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Posted on July 14, 2003 04:57 PM | #
75. Marie said:
You know, I was extremely upset for a very long time after I found out, and I spent a lot of time trying to find out ways that he could come back. I’m still sticking to my theories, but I’ve come to terms with it now. I’m going to trust that JK knows what she’s doing and that in the great scheme of things, this is all going to work out.
Posted on July 14, 2003 05:02 PM | #
76. Lyns said:
Hey - does anyone know of any sites that have pics of Gary Oldman in costume as Sirius!
and just to add to the debate - I reckon he has been perfectly cast as Sirius - he’s a top actor - i’ve met him too and he’s a fab bloke - a real joker and very down to earth!
He’s good looking but not in a classic way - which I think is how Sirius would look - you’re meant to think he’s the bad guy in the 3rd book - so obviously he’s gotta look a little bit evil - a bit Snape like I suppose! and Gary Oldman does one thing very well - and thats portray bad guys in films - see ‘Leon’ - he is sooo bad in that film but so fab acting wise! He’s gonna be great - it’s got me even more excited about seeing rthe next movie - I can’t wait!
and I don’t reckon Sirius is dead - I mean it’s on eof those deaths where there is no body! - therefore no difinitive proof of death - he’ll show up again - i’m almost sure of it!
God we need the next book/movie now!!!!
Posted on July 14, 2003 05:11 PM | #
77. kitty cat said:
you took the words right out of my mouth Marie, that is exactely what i am trying to say! well not exactely but that is the jist of it and i am sorry if i did not see that interveiu but ana but no body is perfect!
Posted on July 15, 2003 04:08 AM | #
78. kitty cat said:
you took the words right out of my mouth Marie, that is exactely what i am trying to say! well not exactely but that is the jist of it and i am sorry if i did not see that interveiu ana, but no body is perfect!
Posted on July 15, 2003 04:09 AM | #
79. ana said:
JK said about Sirius´ death: “I had re-written the death…and that was it. It was definitive. And the person was definitely dead… It upset me. I always knew it was coming, but I managed to live in denial, and carry on with the character and not think about it.”
I found this in http://www.bloomsbury.com/harrypotter (BBCinterview). JK talks about a lot of things, like the final of book seven. In the Albert Hall interview she says: “I wanted to show how very arbitrary and sudden death is. This is a death with no big deathbed scene, it happens almost accidentally. It’s one of the cruel things about death… so shocking and inexplicable, one minute they are there but now where did they go? I found it upsetting to write because I knew what it would mean to Harry.” What it would mean to many fans too! Well, many theories can lead to Sirius returning, maybe Dumbledore wants Harry to believe Sirius dead for some reason, and he gets back to help Harry when Voldemort doesn´t expect it. Anyway, if he´s dead forever and without a good reason I respect JK plot the same, but it still gets me upset, Sirius deserved to play a key role in the rest of the story.
Posted on July 15, 2003 03:04 PM | #
80. Ignite said:
Gary Oldman is a great actor, of more or less the right age, and as for his appearance, we’re talking about a movie… remember what make-up and lighting can do.
Made up to look thin and wasted with a lot of matted black hair (but, hopefully, no Dracula-ish beard), it’ll be the Sirius we remember from the book. Wait and see. And as for the ending of OtP - I too have a distinct hunch that Sirius didn’t get permanently killed. He got hit by a jet of light and fell through the mysterious archway… there’s no body… It’s all pretty fishy and I’m almost sure he’ll be back, in ghost form or other.
Posted on July 17, 2003 07:47 AM | #
81. Marie said:
My theory was always that they were going to go back in time somehow to bring him back. Mugglenet.com has a great page on time travel which includes the different methods, why it can’t happen, a play-by-play account of time travel in PoA, and all sorts of interesting facts about it. If anyone wants help with their theories about how Sirius could come back, you might want to check this page out. It might restore hope to some of you!
Posted on July 17, 2003 10:34 AM | #
82. nel said:
i agree with you!!!!!!!!!!sirius black is my second fav. character in the book!!!!i can’t believe he died lyk that with a shocking….death.i really thought harry was going to live with him and he was the only black left(AAAARRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!)bet kreacher loved that newsnow there are only 2 of jame’s friends left but unluckily the other one betrayed him!!! bully 4 wormtail!!!!!hope the man who plays sirius s good enough!!!!!!
Posted on July 17, 2003 07:51 PM | #
83. meagan said:
Gary Oldman will do Sirius justice I’m sure. He is a fine actor. I always saw Sirius as about that age, he is after all the same age as Harry’s father would have been and Lupin who as you can see from the Phoenix cover looks a bit worn.
I cried when Sirius died, but took comfort in one thing…with Harry Potter…nothing is as it seems. We may yet see Sirius return, here’s to hoping because he is by far my favorite character in the books. : )
Posted on July 17, 2003 10:27 PM | #
84. Fionnuala said:
This is definetly the most tragic theing to have ever happened in Harry Potter. Cedric, I could handle, and Lily and James, though their death was undoubtedly sad, we didn’t really KNOW them. Sirius was the one person who died that we LOVED. But JKR was incredibly brilliant (but evil) in killing him. Sirius has had the most emotional journey out of every character. We started off disliking him because we knew he wanted to kill harry. Then it became HATRED, he betrayed Lily and James in the worst possible way and murdered their other ‘best friend’. Then it’s confusion, we can’t see how he could be telling the truth. Then his story fits and we say ‘hey I like this guy’. By the end of the book we LOVE him. Then throughout the next books our love grows. The way he is always so proud of Harry, his short, but inspiring visits with Harry, in caves and fireplaces, his wonderful advice…for many he is our favorite character. And then JKR takes the character who we once despised and KILLS him.Now all we feel is loss and sadness, the same way harry feels. WE WON’T EVER FORGET PADFOOT.
Posted on July 18, 2003 11:24 AM | #
85. said:
I think Gary Oldman is a very good choice for the role of Sirius Black. Gary is a good actor, who fits perfect to act both the scary prisoner, and the kind godfather..I am looking forward too see how he does the job. I hope he will live up to the expectations, and also to the picture of him that I have created in my head while I was reading the books. It is sad that he will die in the fifth film..
Posted on July 19, 2003 06:48 AM | #
86. said:
I think Gary Oldman is a very good choice for the role of Sirius Black. Gary is a good actor, who fits perfect to act both the scary prisoner, and the kind godfather..I am looking forward too see how he does the job. I hope he will live up to the expectations, and also to the picture of him that I have created in my head while I was reading the books. It is sad that he will die in the fifth film..
Posted on July 19, 2003 06:48 AM | #
87. Briony Coote said:
I am not convinced that Sirius is dead either. There is something suspiciously amgibuous about it all. If Dumbledore is deliberately leading people to believe that Sirius is dead, I believe it’s to call the heat off Sirius. Sirius cannot prove his innocence without the Rat Man, and we can’t have Sirius being hounded by the Ministry right up into Book 7, or being dragged back to Azkaban. So could this be a faked death for Sirius? Eat your heart out, Peter Pettigrew!
Alternatively, Sirius could return from beyond the grave, like Ben does in Star Wars. Or maybe he could “pull a Gandalf.” Like Sirius, Gandalf was not given a definitive death - he just disappears battling a menace, just like Sirius. Or Sirius could do something to help from beyond the grave - like rally an army of fallen wizards and witches to fight Voldemort!
And let’s not forget communicating with the dead - we have had plenty of hints that magic can facilitate contact with the dead. If Sirius is indeed gone, maybe we can still communicate with him. After all, he did fall beyond that veil which is clearly something connected with communicating with the dead.
I have also been wondering about Sirius’ brother Regulus - the guy who is supposed to be murdered for trying to leave the Deatheaters. I have been wondering if Regulus really is dead. Could he have staged his death, like Pettigrew did, and gone into hiding? If so, maybe he will turn up in Book 6 or 7. Perhaps he is Crookshanks, or Ernie Prang the Knight Bus Driver. Remember how unusually sensitive Ernie was about Dementors “them Azkaban guards give me the collywobbles.”? It’s almost as if he has had first hand experience with them.
Posted on July 20, 2003 03:33 AM | #
88. Bob said:
But if he wasnt dead…why would JK Rowling cry when she wrote his death?
Posted on July 20, 2003 02:45 PM | #
89. cassie said:
yea i love sirius, and i cannot believe jk could do such a thing as to kill such a noble charicture like sirius black. i absolutly love his character and have since i read poa.., and i don’t believe that Gary oldman has ANY idea what he has gotten himself into. He is going to have to live up to an almost impossible standard, and every kid in america, england, and all the other places poa is showing, will be watching him and if he does not live up to that almost impossible standard, he will be met by god knows how many dissapointed, sad and upset fans everywhere. i mean i’m sure Gary oldman doesn’t want to be known to, ruin sirius’s character, as happens in books gone movie. i’m just saying he has got alot on his plate, and already plenty of people do not agree with him starring as sirius black, so he is going to have to put on a brilliant show to change the minds of the close minded. I myself do not believe Gary oldman has near enough acting experience to take this roll. Sirius black is not just a character you pull off, he is a man, a hero, and an obssesion to many.so to gary oldman, i wish you the best of luck on attempting this inpssible standard and hope, hope you take the character of sirius, well seriosly.
Posted on July 20, 2003 06:00 PM | #
90. cassie said:
jk cried because she killed an important character. and took him out of the picture however, that does not mean she completely killed him. Harry might find a way to contact with sirius, but then again if he could contact anybody wouldnt he pick his parents? that makes the question, if jk is giong to give him the chance to talk with one person amoung the dead, who would he choose. But to all you sirius lovers out there, me being one of them, sirius was a doomed character to begin with as i was stubbornly forced to accept. he has never had the greatest life. wich makes you loath jkr for making it so. but its just that without her… sirius would not exist at all, niether would harry potter, or lupin, or any of these feelings .
Posted on July 20, 2003 06:10 PM | #
91. Aiyana said:
I, like so many, am annoyed at Sirius’s death. He was my favorite character, and, if he need die, JKR should have at least given him a more dramatic and definitive death. It’s almost as if she was reluctant to give it any finality. Let’s see…hit with a Stunner (Not an Avada Kedavra; he was hit with red light, not green, and that curse kills instantly. Sirius’s face was still reacting to being hit. He was ALIVE when he fell through that veil.) As a literary rule, you can’t kill the most popular character with such a vague scene!!! Hence, that “death” definitely has “come-back” written all over it. No body! No description! Words of foreshadowing by an odd teenager! I don’t care WHAT JKR said in an interview, if she wanted to give a lesson on how unfair and swift death is, she should recall what she did in book IV. Hello, Cedric’s death was about as swift as they come. (Just because none of us gave a damn, doesn’t mean it wasn’t, shall I say, “realistic?”) So, if Sirius is in fact dead (which I doubt), JKR is going to EXPLAIN the veil or let readers see glimpses of Sirius. (Pensieve, dreams, pictures,old diaries, whatever) JKR is not a stupid woman; she knows she can’t leave the “death” just like that or completely abandon the character. Anyways, now about Gary Oldman. I know the actor from Dracula and The Scarlet Letter. He was almost erotic in Dracula and played an okay role in TSL. I can imagine him as Sirius, but he is NOT too old for that part. He’s, what, 43? Sirius is about 36-40 years old. (Hmm, about 17 when he graduated Hogwarts, 12 years in Azkaban. That’s 29. But add a few years between graduation at Hogwarts and Harry’s birth) He’s perfect, age wise. From the way some of you were talking, you would think Oldman was as old as Dumbledore. And anyways, you all seem to forget that Sirius only makes an appearance near the end of the novel. So, I take it Oldman may not have THAT much screen time to begin with. The Shrieking Shack is going to be his biggest scene…. But, in any case, he better do a good job, and I’m dead serious. Dead serious…get it? haha
Posted on July 20, 2003 10:12 PM | #
92. Aiyana said:
I, like so many, am annoyed at Sirius’s death. He was my favorite character, and, if he need die, JKR should have at least given him a more dramatic and definitive death. It’s almost as if she was reluctant to give it any finality. Let’s see…hit with a Stunner (Not an Avada Kedavra; he was hit with red light, not green, and that curse kills instantly. Sirius’s face was still reacting to being hit. He was ALIVE when he fell through that veil.) As a literary rule, you can’t kill the most popular character with such a vague scene!!! Hence, that “death” definitely has “come-back” written all over it. No body! No description! Words of foreshadowing by an odd teenager! I don’t care WHAT JKR said in an interview, if she wanted to give a lesson on how unfair and swift death is, she should recall what she did in book IV. Hello, Cedric’s death was about as swift as they come. (Just because none of us gave a damn, doesn’t mean it wasn’t, shall I say, “realistic?”) So, if Sirius is in fact dead (which I doubt), JKR is going to EXPLAIN the veil or let readers see glimpses of Sirius. (Pensieve, dreams, pictures,old diaries, whatever) JKR is not a stupid woman; she knows she can’t leave the “death” just like that or completely abandon the character. Anyways, now about Gary Oldman. I know the actor from Dracula and The Scarlet Letter. He was almost erotic in Dracula and played an okay role in TSL. I can imagine him as Sirius, but he is NOT too old for that part. He’s, what, 43? Sirius is about 36-40 years old. (Hmm, about 17 when he graduated Hogwarts, 12 years in Azkaban. That’s 29. But add a few years between graduation at Hogwarts and Harry’s birth) He’s perfect, age wise. From the way some of you were talking, you would think Oldman was as old as Dumbledore. And anyways, you all seem to forget that Sirius only makes an appearance near the end of the novel. So, I take it Oldman may not have THAT much screen time to begin with. The Shrieking Shack is going to be his biggest scene…. But, in any case, he better do a good job, and I’m dead serious. Dead serious…get it? haha
Posted on July 20, 2003 10:14 PM | #
93. Aiyana said:
Oh yeah, I almost forgot. I’m almost assuming that Prisoner of Azkaban is going to be the last HP movie. Now that I think of it, it doesn’t make much sense to stop with Book III because that’s the pinnacle of the series. Book I and II stand by themselves. Oh…my point in saying this is to retract what I said about Oldman not having much screen time. If they’re making IV and V, then he’s going to be in them, hence, more screen time! lol
Posted on July 20, 2003 10:26 PM | #
94. said:
Oh yeah one more thing. Ahem, since when is Gary Oldman “too ugly” to play Sirius Black? There’s such a thing as makeup, and Oldman is NOT an ugly man. Anyways, Sirius is no Calvin Klein model, despite what all you youthful girls seem to think. Sirius, yes, used to be very handsome, but LOST most of his good looks because of Azkaban. (This is not only shown through his appearances in the novel, but is clearly stated in Book V when Harry reads about the Death Eaters escape in the Daily Prophet) Let me also paraphrase a certain something from Order of the Phoenix…oh something along the lines of blah blah blah, “his wasted, ONCE-HANDSOME face.” Ahem, pay attention to the word “once.” All throughout a lot of passages that involve Sirius, he’s described as being gaunt and wasted. Not saying that Sirius is ugly, I’m just saying you’re wrong when you say that the person playing Sirius should be a hunk! (I mean REALLY, do you read the books??) To me, Sirius is a ghost of a handsome man…a man who is only attractive when he smiles, a man who may still have “vestiges of great good looks.” You get the drift.
Oh yeah, let me repeat my previous comment. “I mean REALLY, do you read the books?” I would think not for some of the theories people come up with about these books. Yeesh, I heard em all; Lily being Crookshanks, Voldemort being Harry’s father, Lupin and Sirius are lovers (lmao my personal favorite), debates about Hagrid’s age (though you don’t have to be Descartes to figure it out; he’s 66!), and other wild, ludicrous theories. Just trying to throw another topic out there: Wild HP theories (that can be deemed impossible if one would just READ the books) HP Gone Wild!
Posted on July 20, 2003 11:04 PM | #
95. Briony Coote said:
I will say it again - there is something suspiciously ambiguous about Sirius’ disappearance - note I use the word disappearance because it is not 100% clear that Sirius is dead. It is definitely not like he was Avada Kedavrised like poor Cedric or blown to bits like those poor muggles in that street. JKR did not specify what curse it was (if it had been AK, surely Harry would have recognised that green flash?). Sirius’ face changes from laughter to shock as he crumples into that archway. Does this suggest he is still alive? Maybe it was a paralysing curse, a stunning curse, or Impedimenta? And what’s with this veil thing? Is it some means of communicating with the dead?
There have been comments as to why they didn’t use the Time Turner. DD made it quite clear that the Time Turner could not be used to change what had already occurred, nor could the Time Turner selves let their counterparts see them. That would have really messed things up, unfortunately.
As I see it, the future possibilities are:
1: Sirius Black really is dead, but the circumstances surrounding his death will mean he can be communicated with from beyond the grave, or his astral self might return from time to time, as Ben does in Star Wars.
2: Sirius is alive, trapped somewhere and may be rescued.
3: Sirius may pass through something on the other side that will enable him to come back like Gandalf.
4: Sirius Black truly is gone for good - I jolly well hope not.
5: Sirius Black truly is dead, but the circumstances may mean that Harry can go on a trip to the Underworld to rescue him or something.
Here’s another thing - what about the question of proving Sirius’ innocence? Moody should be able to testify that Pettigrew is alive. DD and Harry are back on Fudge’s good side again, so he may listen to them. Sirius may have left behind some posthumous statement. I jolly well think he would, since the investigator who is supposed to be tracking him down has been in contact with him!
Posted on July 21, 2003 02:12 AM | #
96. Briony Coote said:
What really made Sirius’ disappearance/death cut to my heart was when Harry finally opened that package and found he had the means to communicate with Sirius all along! When I read that I immediately thought: “AAAAGGHH!!! NOW HE TELLS US!!” I still avoid reading that particular passage.
I suppose it could be worse. Just imagine if JKR had written a passage where poor old Sirius gets the Kiss, got A-K’d or blown to bits! At least with this exit there is hope.
After reading Book 5 I too wondered if I would have the heart to go on reading the series after Sirius’ disappearance/death. I think I will, in the hope that he may yet be back (and to see how Harry’s OWLs went). I just hope (as we all are) that I will not be disappointed.
In any case, there are still loose ends about Sirius:
1: He still has to get his name cleared. Unless he does return, this will have to be posthumous.
2: We still don’t know the full story of how he was railroaded into Azkaban. There are still gaps in that story and I want them filled!
3: What really happened in that street? Was it really Pettigrew who blew up the street or was there someone else involved? (McGonnagal said Pettigrew was a poor dueller).
4: Did someone besides Pettigrew frame Sirius? Someone in the Ministry, perhaps, or another Deatheater (Regulus, maybe)?
5: Why the switch to Pettigrew? I’ve always wondered if Sirius was somehow manipulated into suggesting that Pettigrew be the Secret Keeper. It does seem to be stretching coincidence that he should make that last-minute switch to the very man who turns out to be the spy.
6:What’s going to happen to Grimmauld Place and Kreacher? I hope they cut off Kreacher’s head and don’t even give him the honour of having his head mounted on the wall! Burn that damn picture of Mrs Black! Gee, why couldn’t Sirius slash her instead of the Fat Lady? (Erk, I hope she forgives him for that!) Grief, looks like Sirius’ childhood was as miserable as the one Harry has had with the Dursleys. Right from the cradle, Sirius was a survivor.
7: Where is that motorbike? OOTP gave hints that the motorbike was still around - the Ministry was speculating that Sirius was using it again.
Posted on July 21, 2003 03:00 AM | #
97. Mishal said:
I HATED IT WHEN SIRIUS DIED!!!!!THE ONLY FAVOURITE CHARACTER OF MINE AND ALL J.K HAD TO DO WAS TO KILL HIM UP! THAT ISN`T FAIR!!GET OFF IT ROWLING AND MAKE HIM COME ALIVE IN THE NEXT BOOK!!THERE IS NO WAY U R GOING TO RUN AWAY WITH THAT!! I LOVED HIM WELLL I STILL LOVE HIM…WHEN I KNEW THAT HE IS DEAD I WAS CRYING MY HEAD OFF…….AND I REALLY WONT BE ABLE TO STAND THE 5TH MOVIE COZ I HAVE TO SEE SIRIUS DYING IN IT!
AS FOR OLDMAN..HE BETTER DO JUSTICE WITH SIRIUS AND PLAY HIM ACCORDING TO THE BOOK..HE HAS TO COME UP TO THE MARK…AND LET HIM KNOW THAT IF HE DOESN’T BOTH HE AND THE DIRECTOR WILL HEAR FROM EVERY FAN IN THIS WORLD WHICH INCLUDES ME AS WELL……..AND PLEASE ROWLING HAS TO MAKE HIM COME BACK IN THE 6TH BOOK…THAT IS SO UNFAIR……I LOVE SIRIUS…..AND I WANT HIM TO BE JUSTIFIED AND BACK!!!!! OLDMAN TAKE CARE OF YOU WILL BE IN BIG TROUBLE!!!!
Posted on July 21, 2003 06:34 AM | #
98. Legola said:
I hoped Ralph or Joseph Fiennes to play Sirius in the movie, but Gary might surprise me and be great. I wonder if it affects Gary’s or Daniel’s acting when they’ve read the fifth book and know that Sirius will die just after two years?
Bad timing from JK, I’d say…yeah I loved Sirius Black more than anyone, and when he died, I cried far more than JK herself I bet..I think I’ll cry all the time when I see Sirius in the movie. Gary, please don’t disappoint me. :)
Posted on July 21, 2003 07:44 AM | #
99. Legola said:
Forgot a thing there: After all the damn grief of Sirius’s death, I ended up to this: Killing him was fair for the readers, as people do die in the battle and life, but it WASN’T fair that JK didn’t make them explain to Harry, where Sirius had went. For me it is like my best friend died and I must wait for 2-3 years (book six) to find out why. That is not fair for the readers. JK thinks the plot of the book is more important than the minds of her readers. If she doesn’t make Harry walk away from Dumbledore in book six I truly wonder how good she is writing a character. Anyone who wants to say something agreeing/disagreeing of what I just wrote, e-mail to me. Thanx.
Posted on July 21, 2003 08:00 AM | #
100. Briony Coote said:
How old is Sirius?
There has been a lot of discussion here regarding this question, but I believe I have worked it out.
1. I saw on another site that JKR has stated that Severus Snape is 35-6 years old. I presume she means he is 35-6 at the start of Book 1. Sirius, Remus and Peter would be the same age as Snape, since they were in the same OWL year. For the sake of argument, I will take the latter age and say Snape is 36.
2. If Sirius is 36 at the start of Book 1, then he would be 38 at the start of Book 3, when he escaped from Azkaban. Subtract 12 and Sirius would have been 26 when they chucked him into Azkaban.
3. Sirius is on the run for almost a year when the Shrieking Shack incident occurs on 6 June. This takes his age up to 39 at the end of Book 3.
4. At the start of Book 5 Sirius has been on the run for 2 years, which means his age is 40. It is almost the end of Harry’s school year when Sirius goes beyond the veil, which means his age is now 41.
5.The Harry Potter timelines I have seen on the Web fix Sirius’ incarceration in Azkaban to November 1981, the escape 30(?) July 1993 and the Shrieking Shack incident 6 July 1994. This puts the Veil incident in June 1996.
6. If Sirius was 41 when he went beyond the veil in June 1996, that means he was born around 1955.
7.Hogwarts students graduate at 18 (they start at 11, and are schooled for 7 years). If Sirius was 26 when he was sent to Azkaban, that leaves a gap of 8 years. That would be ample time for Auror training (3 years), defying Voldemort 3 times, the Potters’ wedding, Lily’s pregnancy, and Harry’s first birthday.
8. If Sirius was born around 1955, he would have gone to Hogwarts in 1966-7 and graduated, along with Remus, Peter and James around 1973-1974. This would square with “Hairy Snout, Human Heart” an anonymous book about a “heartrending account of one wizard’s battle with lycanthropy.” This book was published in 1975, and there is only one wizard who could have written it. (For reference, see Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find them, Werewolf entry).
Posted on July 21, 2003 07:12 PM | #
101. Marie said:
Alright everybody, I’ve finally found it. If you go to Mugglenet.com and scroll down a little bit, there’s a link to see a picture of Gary as Sirius. I’m very sad to admit that this is not how I had pictured Sirius to look at all. What are your opinions?
Posted on July 22, 2003 08:00 PM | #
102. Briony Coote said:
Thank you, Marie, for sending us that link to the picture of Gary as Sirius Black! I just LOVE those tattoos! I see Azkaban goes for stripey prison uniforms too. There have been some complaints that Gary does not have that matted filthy hair, but perhaps he’s out of makeup.
I hope they show us some shots of Azkaban, because I want to see that prison. I was a bit disappointed that JKR didn’t take us on a visit to Azkaban in OOTP as some fans predicted, but maybe in the next books. I can just see the movie opening with the horrible Azkaban Governor tucking into his supper when a guard bursts in and shouts “Sir! Sir! Sirius Black has escaped!” The Governor splutters his wine in utter amazement…hee, hee!
Posted on July 23, 2003 02:14 AM | #
103. Marie said:
Sorry guys, they took down the pic. That’s a relief too, because that picture was horrible!!
Posted on July 24, 2003 07:49 AM | #
104. said:
Oh my gosh,I am halfway through the 5th book and I heard Sirius is going to die,I’ve cried already though I haven’t read that part yet!I’m dreading it so much AHAHHHHHH!!!!!
Posted on July 24, 2003 08:12 AM | #
105. ana said:
first of all i want to say, when i first saw the list of the cast for PoA, i didnt know who gary oldman was, so i looked him up on google images. my first reaction was… eww. but then, i went to a few actual websites for gary oldman, and read some reviews and… blah. did a lot of research. i heard that he was a great actor… and recently i rented as many movies as i could where he had a major role. its true- hes a great actor. i think hes better than timothy spall (its ashame hes playing a bad character, even though hes perfect for the part…) gary oldman can actually… how do i want to put this? dissappear into his character??? if anyone understands that. anyways to all the ppl who are dissappointed bcuz hes ugly (i thought this too at first) who says sirius is supposed to b good lookin anyways??? i kno he did when he was younger but HELLo ppls he just got out of 12 freakin years in azkaban… he is not going to b brad pitt. and in his younger pictures.. they can do great stuff with makeup, lighting, & computer editing. the stupidest thing ive ever read was on this sirius fansite… this person said.. “…uggh gary oldman??? he played a vampire in a movie once that should tell them something…” well in the beginning of the 3rd book, harry is looking at sirius for the 2nd time in the daily prophet (he saw him on tv first) and hes thinking about how much sirius looks like what he imagines a vampire to look like. thats definately not the exact quote from the book… i dont have either of my copies with me to reference from… but it definately happened. i should know, ive read the book 14 times. (fanatic i kno.) so all these ppl dissin on gary oldman… dont do it untill youve done some research. sirius was my favorite character (still is, i refuse to believe hes dead even tho ive read it over & over o.0) and i didnt want him to b ruined… but i think gary oldman will do a great job. feel free to email me if u want to argue. i dissed gary oldman myself when i first saw pictures… now ive changed my mind.
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Posted on July 25, 2003 11:36 AM | #
106. said:
o, the picture of oldman as sirius black isnt what i pictured… ill link to the website its on incase anyone wants to see. http://home.tiscali.nl/~giso/index.htm
its not how i pictured, but its not the whole costume either. o wells
Posted on July 25, 2003 11:41 AM | #
107. ana said:
btw, i dont want to b a kno it all & burst everyones bubble, but, in several interviews j.k. rowling mentioned how upset she got over killing sirius. she cried, and had to talk to her husband (she wouldnt tell him who it was) so my question is, WHY would she get that upset if he was going to come back??? i dont think hes gone for good tho… hes still gonna live on in harrys dreams, the pensieve, and other things…maybe harry will find a way to talk to him even though hes dead. but no, i dont think hes coming back.
Posted on July 25, 2003 11:50 AM | #
108. said:
I CANT BELIEVE SIRIUS HAD TO DIE HE IS MY FAVORITE CHARECTER I ABSOLUTLY LOVE HIM AND BELIEVE ME GARY OLDMAN WILL DO GREAT FOR SIRIUS BLACK I JUST KNOW IT CAUSE SID VICIOUSE LOOKED AND ACTED JUST LIKE HIM EXCEPT FOR THE DRUGS AND STUFF! BUT J.K.ROWLING PLEASE BRING SIRIUS BLACK BACK CAUSE IF U DONT I WILL UHHHHHHH! I LOVE SIRIUS BLACK AND GARY WILL DO GREAT WIT HIM THINK ABOUT IT HE HAS JET BLACK HAIR, HES REALLY REALLY REALLY SKINNY, AND HE HAS THE LAUGH AND PERSONALLITY AS HE DOES!AND WELL HES NOT OLD HES A GODFATHER AND HE PROBALY IS THAT AGE BUT STILL ACTS LIKE A REALLY COOL DUDE!COME ON GARY SHOW SIRIUS SOME JUSTICE!
Posted on July 27, 2003 09:20 AM | #
109. Fan of Harry Potter said:
hey,
I’m very excited about the 3rd movie coming out soon. I mailed a letter to the Cast Directors and making sure Sirius Black doesnt have a beard! lol Anyway I hope you all are as excited as I am beacause Sirius Black is my favorite and if they mess him (his looks in the movie) i swear i will sue! Okay nvm just kidding okay bye
Posted on July 27, 2003 12:03 PM | #
110. Briony Coote said:
I put up an earlier post stating that I estimated Sirius’ age to be 40-41, based on a statement I saw that Snape was 35-36 and I put this at the start of Book 1. I have now received word that the Marauders were born 1960, so that means Sirius was 36-37 when he died.
Sorry about that.
Posted on July 27, 2003 04:02 PM | #
111. Briony Coote said:
I feel quite sorry for Gary Oldman. The role of Sirius Black will be his toughest yet. If Gary fails to live up to our expectations, the movie will fail. If he does, the movie will soar.
I am glad Gary doesn’t have a beard. I presume Sirius will be one of those people who can’t grow a beard (I have heard about such people) or put a spell on his facial hair so he doesn’t have to worry about shaving. Well, I’m just wondering as to how Sirius can not have beard in Azkaban, since they clearly never trim the prisoners’ hair or bother with prisoner hygiene (or hygiene, period).
Posted on July 27, 2003 04:07 PM | #
112. said:
gary oldman shouldn’t play sirius balack!!!!!!
i’m soory but he looks nothing like sirius(according to his discription in the books).
sirius is hansom, even after all this years in azkaban, he is very thin! and he doesn’t have a beard! although it would be logical after 12 years in prison.
Posted on July 28, 2003 12:30 PM | #
113. Briony Coote said:
Gary looks nothing like Sirius?
But we haven’t seen Gary in full Sirius makeup yet, just the costume and the tattoos. I sure love those tattoos! I’ve also wondered whether people get chucked into Azkaban wearing their own clothes or are given a uniform - now I know!
I would imagine it would be a tall order to get an actor that would be completely emaciated like Sirius Black is in the book. I don’t think they would be putting Gary on a starvation diet to slim him down to a skeleton.
As for the beard, I have heard of some people being incapable of growing a full beard. Alternatively, Sirius could have put a spell on his facial hair to stop it growing, and thus save on shaving. Remember, Sirius was virtually a teenager when he was arrested, so it is very unlikely he would want a beard. That’s for older wizards.
Some people have complained that Gary is too old (41) and Sirius is estimated to be 33 when he escaped. It doesn’t worry me since I’m not good at telling ages, and anyway Sirius would have aged prematurely in Azkaban. Come to think of it, Sirius is exactly the same age the the Count of Monte Cristo was when he escaped from the Chateau D’If (33 years). Our friend Sirius is clearly based on the Count of Monte Cristo. They were both innocent dupes, railroaded into a horrible island prison without a trial by a corrupt judge and false friends. Eventually they manage to swim their way to freedom. The Count is unable to prove his innocence, so sets about seeking revenge instead, aided by a fortune and smuggler friends. Sirius is unable to prove his innocence without the Rat Man, but acquires some friends.
Hmm, maybe Sirius will start to exact revenge against Peter Pettigrew and the Deatheaters from beyond the grave? If he can’t prove his innocence, he can have revenge.
By the way, does anyone known if they are going to show some shots of Azkaban in the movie? I would imagine so, since there will be some flashbacks. I sure would like to see Azkaban. I was hoping Book 5 would take us on a trip to Azkaban, particularly since Harry and Dumbledore are under threat of being sent there as well as Sirius. It didn’t but it’s nice to know those horrid Dementors are no longer at Azkaban, so being sent to Azkaban won’t be as bad as before. I wonder what changes they will make to Azkaban in the wake of the Dementors’ departure?
Posted on July 28, 2003 07:42 PM | #
114. Angie said:
Dont’t you worry my fellow serious Sirius fans…JK will bring him back….the death had too many loose ends…. this last book is building us up for the next one…
Oh and on the subject of who should play Sirius Black…Johnny Depp would be my choice… He was rather impressive in Sleepy Hollow and From hell both of which he maintained a plausible english accent…..And also I believe him to be one of the most versatile actors I have ever had the pleasure of watching….but i guess the part has been already cast, unfortunately…..
Posted on July 29, 2003 03:43 AM | #
115. said:
By the way…..If Voldemort can keep coming back…well, There are ways Sirius can come back too…..Keep your chins up!!!
Posted on July 29, 2003 03:50 AM | #
116. Briony Coote said:
Yes, I am not giving up on Sirius either. JKR probably removed him from the picture so she could bring him back, better than ever (and beyond the reach of the Ministry).
JKR said Sirius’ death was “necessary.” Why? I can understand that Sirius can never get his name cleared without Pettigrew and we can’t have him being chased by the Ministry right up into Book 7, but that still does not fully explain why his death is necessary.
For that matter, why keep him shut up at Grimmauld Place? Couldn’t Sirius have worn a disguise, used Polyjuice, or become invisible or something? Or how about faking Sirius’ death to take the heat off him, and he can assume a new identity? Hey, what did I say?
There must be some reason why Sirius’ death is “necessary”, and it must have something to do with what is going to happen in Book 6 or 7. Willing to bet that a new, improved Sirius Black is going to appear?
Posted on July 29, 2003 03:47 PM | #
117. Briony Coote said:
JKR’s house must be getting stuffed to the ceiling with “Bring back Sirius!” letters!
It certainly will be if she takes another 3 years to publish Book 6. She’d better hurry up with Book 6 and 7, and have a damned good reason why it was “necessary” to put Sirius out of the picture!
By the way, I bet we haven’t seen the last of Dolores Umbridge, even though she has left the school. Fudge’s bungling in Book 5 could bring down his Ministry, and Umbridge wouldn’t like that. Still, she has a Wizard’s Debt to pay to Dumbledore for rescuing her from the Centaurs.
Which reminds me, what about that debt Pettigrew owes Harry for saving his life? Could that have anything to do with Sirius’ return, or clearing his name? And what if Voldemort finds out about this? Like Dumbledore said, Voldemort would not be happy to have a servant who is indebted to Harry Potter. If Pettigrew ends up flying from Voldemort, maybe he will come back to our side and perhaps do something about clearing Sirius?
Clearing Sirius is one glaring loose end that still needs to be tied up, whether Sirius is truly dead or not. How is JKR going to address that? Could it have something to do with Pettigrew’s Wizard Debt? Has Sirius left some statement? Or will Fudge be willing to listen now that he has realised his error in judgement?
Posted on July 29, 2003 04:17 PM | #
118. Samantha said:
I hope Gary Oldman does Sirius justice. I loved his character! I cried so much when he died. JK Rowling better have a good reason for his death.
I think he should come back some how. Or the least any of them (Ministry of Magic) could do is clear his name as a last respect to Sirius’s memory!
Harry has been through enough suffering and I hope some how Sirius comes back or my other thought was Voldermort killing Harry so he can be happy with his parents and Sirius. (Bonuses to the last part would be Harry and Voldermort killing each other so Voldermort couldn’t rise to full power again!)
Posted on July 30, 2003 09:26 AM | #
119. Briony Coote said:
JKR says that death is final. If Sirius IS dead, then there is no way he is coming back as a living person.
But what really annoys me is that JKR did not make Sirius’ death %100 clear. It’s not like he was Avada Kadavrised or blown to bits. He just gets hit by a curse, but we don’t know which, and then he falls behind that veil. There is still that damn ambiguity about the whole thing that makes us wonder if he really is dead at all. And now we probably have to wait another 3 years before we find out more. GRRRR!!
Posted on July 31, 2003 01:48 AM | #
120. anap said:
This Sirius matter still gets me upset, but now it makes me wonder… JKR must have a good reason for this. I can only guess, but there are some clues that could lead to Sirius return.
After Dumbledore´s attitude during the year, we can expect anything. He always knows things that Harry doesn´t and he could be deceiving Harry for some reason about Sirius death. (JKR could be doing the same, in every interview she makes us believe he´s gone for ever). DD is a very powerful wizard and he was in the same room, why didn´t he help him not to fall through that damn veil? Is it part of some plan?
Sirius was alive before falling, Bellatrix´s spell just pushed him and he passed to the other side. Luna is sure she heard dead people talking there. His mother died about five years ago, when does she expect to contact with her? Why does Lupin hold Harry back? He says Sirius is gone, he´s d…, Harry ends the sentence for him, maybe Lupin didn´t mean to say dead, but disapparated…
Phineas Nigellus says that he doesn´t believe Sirius is dead. Maybe DD wants him to spread the rumour. That´d be perfect for Sirius security, he could be sort of hidden, and if Voldemort reads Harry´s mind he´ll be convinced Sirius is dead.
We only know that Sirius is gone, we don´t know if he´s dead, half alive or what. Now, can he come back? Remember what DD said to Sirius in book four: no spell can reawaken the dead. So there should be another way, something different from a spell. Voldemort came back to life and he was just a kind of spirit before that. Sirius is not so powerful, but maybe DD can help him.
Nick says he won´t come back, he will have gone on. That could mean anything! It could mean that he´s dead but won´t be a ghost, Harry´s parents aren´t ghosts either. I´m glad he´s not a ghost, that would mean that he´s really dead. And what about that mirror? Harry can´t contact with Sirius, but maybe it´s just that he didn´t carry the other part with him. That gives me a hope too. If Sirius face appears in the mirror, it would be like Harry watching his parents in the erised mirror. So maybe he can´t appear there because he´s somewhere between life and death. Learned wizards study the secrets of death in the Department of Mysteries at the Ministry of Magic, which means there can be strange ways of life after death. Well, we´re talking about magic and everything is possible!
By the way, I´m the ana that´s been posting until July 15th, so I´ll change to anap, as there´s someone else with the same name. Thanks, Legola, I finally find someone who agrees with me about Ralph Fiennes for the role. I think Joseph is a little too young. Anyway I trust Gary Oldman, he can play anything, he´s just like a chameleon.
Posted on August 1, 2003 07:27 AM | #
121. Marie said:
Anap, I want to thank you. You had some very good points and looked at things from a totally different perspective than I had and it has brought me hope. I keep on telling myself (and others) that there’s no way he’s dead, but I don’t have anything to back it up with. I have to say that your theory about how Dumbledore wants to make it seem like Sirius died for his safety (and how Volemort can’t read into Harry’s mind because Harry himself thinks Sirius to be dead) is absolutely brilliant. I really hope that the reason for his “death” is something along those lines, because that makes perfect sense! :)Thank you!
Posted on August 1, 2003 10:40 AM | #
122. Briony Coote said:
If Sirius’ face appears in the mirror, Harry will have to have it fixed first - remember, he smashed it.
If Sirius can’t be brought back from the dead, then how about communicating with the dead? They can obviously do that - the portraits, for example. And there’s that archway itself - obviously some means for communicating with the dead.
I just hope JKR hurries up with the next book. It would be torture to wait another three years to see what happens about Sirius!
Posted on August 1, 2003 04:27 PM | #
123. Briony Coote said:
HMMPPHH! If JKR means Sirius to have a definitive death, why didn’t she give him a good, clean kill? It’s cruel to us Sirius fans, having our hopes raised over Sirius’ bizarre, ambiguous disappearance, only to have them dashed by the time JKR finishes the series.
I also picked up on Lupin saying “Sirius won’t be coming back because he’s d-“. The complete guide to HP says that when JKR interrupts something, she is hiding something vital. Since Lupin was interrupted, this is very likely to be a clue. So what could have Lupin said if he had not been interrupted? “Dead”, “Disapparated”, “disappeared”, “devolved”, “down” or what?
Nor does JKR make it clear that Bella did kill Sirius. If it had been Avada Kedavra, Harry would have recognised the green flash. Bella’s remarks to Harry imply that she killed Sirius, but she could simply have been goading Harry and/or believing that Sirius was finished once he fell behind the veil. We just simply don’t know - was he alive or dead when he fell into the veil?
If Dumbledore is having us believe Sirius is dead, it must be to take the heat off Sirius, so the Ministry doesn’t expend any more time trying to find him, and make sure Voldemort can’t play on Harry’s love towards Sirius again. If Dumbledore secretly rescues Sirius, we are very likely to see Sirius under a new identity, but it won’t be revealed until the time is right.
Posted on August 2, 2003 01:45 AM | #
124. Legola said:
I dunno if somebody’s already posted this (I tried to look all the messages), but here’s a pic, which seems like it’s from the movie itself:
http://hpfanit.nocrew.org/kuvat/elokuvat/3-shack.jpg
So Sirius does have a beard, not but not a long one, fortunately.
Thanx anap and Briony Coote and the rest who believe Sirius is not gone. This d-word thing is a very hope-giving point. But WHY did JK say:
“What I was trying to do with the death in this book was that I wanted to show how very arbitrary and sudden death is. This is a death with no big deathbed scene — it happens almost accidentally. It’s one of the cruel things about death and we’re now in a war situation where that does happen. That’s how it happens — one minute you are talking to your friend and the next minute he is gone, so shocking and inexplicable — one minute they are there but now where did they go?”
She talks about it as death. I’d like to belive that Sirius is part of the future plot but..
Posted on August 2, 2003 05:46 AM | #
125. anap said:
I agree, Legola, JKR talks about it as death, but then if she wants everybody believe it’s a real death she won’t call it by another name. It’s like Dumbledore, he wants Harry to feel the pain deeper, he reminds him he’s lost his father, his mother and the closest thing to a parent he’s ever known. Why does he do it? This time he doesn’t give him a single word of comfort about it, unlike when Harry thought he had seen his father the night Sirius escaped from the Dementors, then Dumbledore said: “you think the dead we have loved ever truly leave us?” Dumbledore wants Harry to have powerful feelings, he wants him to suffer for Sirius death, the more human he becomes, the most advantage he’ll have to fight Voldemort, because Voldemort doesn’t have a clue of what love means. OK, what does all this have to do about Sirius possible return? Well, imagine how Harry would feel if he meets Sirius alive when he less expects it, maybe in front of Voldemort or when a thousand of Dementors sent by Voldemort attack him. The joy would be so immense that he could produce the biggest patronus in the world. I know it’s just a theory, but we won’t know anything for sure until 6th or 7th book and in the meanwhile we can think many things and have some hope. Marie, it makes me so glad you like my theory, until we know the truth we can keep on dreaming…
That whole JKR interview where she talks about arbitrary death is very interesting (I put the link in my July 15th comment), she mentions the fan sites: “people have such fun with their theories…” She says that some people even get quite close, but (this is another mystery) there’s something that explains everything, kind of the heart of it all, and no one has guessed. She adds that she’d be pretty miffed if someone found out, because it’s too late, she couldn’t divert now, everything has been building up to it and she’s laid all the clues… So, 1º- she is able to surprise us in every possible way, 2º- she doesn’t want to make it easy to predict what will happen (that would explain why she talks about Sirius’ real death), 3º- she can’t invent everything, there must be some previous clue. It’s not a complete waste of time building theories. It’s like the lost prophecy, she wrote in POA that Trelawney had made another real prediction before.
So what clues do we have for Sirius return? And I mean Sirius alive, because there are lots of ways for Harry to meet him dead, but that wouldn’t be the same! Dumbledore even turned back time to rescue Sirius in POA but here… he’s so close and he doesn’t move a finger. There’s such a mess there too and all the Death Eaters around, but Bellatrix and Sirius are the only one pair fighting when Dumbledore arrives. His spell pulls a Death Eater back easily and effortlessly and then turns to look at Sirius, who seems to sink very slowly through the veil. This part is a little confusing, (maybe on purpose?) and the key could be here. Is JKR describing the scene slower than it happens? It looks like Dumbledore has time enough to stop him from falling, (in case he’s still alive before touching the veil), Harry has even time to watch every expression of Sirius’ eyes. We don’t know which colour is the second jet of light. If it’s AK and hits him squarely on the chest, he must be definitely dead, but he doesn’t drop down like Cedric did. Is Bellatrix’s spell more powerful than Pettigrew’s, so Sirius gets a push first? Or maybe it’s only a push, and then Dumbledore can’t (or doesn’t want to) stop him. Is that veil a door to death or is it a kind of portkey?
Posted on August 2, 2003 05:30 PM | #
126. anap said:
I also have theories about Sirius real death, though I completely refuse to believe them! Do we have to accept Sirius death? Then he’s almost the most unfair and biggest victim of this story (Harry’s parents died for him, Sirius couldn’t even do that). Well, who knows, maybe JKR plans to kill everybody from now on. Cedric death was enough to teach how arbitrary death is, please, JKR, stop killing people! We know battles are always unfair, give peace a chance. If there are more deaths until Voldemort dies in the end, it’d be depressing, and we have real life to depress us now. And, worse still, if Harry gets killed, as she even suggests from time to time, that could lead to some suicide out there. It’s scary the way some people are obsessed with the books. Well, look who’s talking… but I mean she’s surely thought about how much she can affect the fans. Hey everybody, please don’t get obsessed in such an evil way!
OK, end of the sermon. Back to Sirius, he didn’t even have the chance to help Harry, and he wanted it so bad! The first battle he gets into, the first he dies. Is Harry (and the fans) going to suffer for nothing or this death will be necessary in the end? For me, that’d be only if Sirius gets back alive, Harry will love him better after he learns what it means to lose him. Like Dumbledore said, there may come a time when he’s glad even if he can’t imagine it now. That was about letting Pettigrew escape, his debt towards Harry must come in useful some time. By the way, we don’t know anything about him in this book. JKR doesn’t want us to pay attention to him for some reason? She’s right, it’s fun to have theories, but it’s exhausting too, and you can’t see the end of it! And it all comes back to this: why has she let that loose end about Sirius strange death? Maybe she isn’t aware of any loose end. If she didn’t want us to have any doubt about his death, (she could have avoid us all our desperate theories), if he’s really dead, then it’s a shame it’s not this clear: Sirius’ body in front of Harry and without a pulse, a buried body and even a funeral! Why does she make him fall beyond the veil? Is it to make it easier for Harry to contact with Sirius now he’s dead? Can Sirius tell Harry messages from his parents now? I guess JKR intends to do something about him. Why does she get him into the story to kill him two years later? Harry’s spent so little time beside him. Will Sirius be more useful dead than alive? That doesn’t make much sense now. Almost everything leads to believe his return would be ten times better. And in that case, we could be even glad of his faked death. That would be the best revenge over Pettigrew, ‘cause even if they find out he wasn’t killed in that street, the only person who could testify against him is Sirius, so he must come back for that! Unless Pettigrew decide to tell the truth, but he’s done so much harm, I don’t know if Harry will ever forgive him. Maybe Pettigrew’s debt leads him to sacrifice his own life to save Harry from Voldemort? But if he dies, there’ll be no way of clearing Sirius name, and JKR says there won’t be any loose ends in book seven. Maybe I’m just trying to convince myself about Sirius being alive, but I can’t help looking for some clue that could make sense, and Sirius gone forever doesn’t make the slightest sense at all.
Posted on August 2, 2003 05:37 PM | #
127. Briony Coote said:
Okay, so JKR wants to depict how arbitrary, sudden, and cruel death is. If that’s the case, she should have given Sirius a clean kill. It’s this bizarre, ambiguous disappearance behind the veil that’s so cruel and hard on us Sirius fans, because it has us wondering whether or not he is dead at all, and waiting until the next books to find out.
Si