Designing The Band: Chapter Four
July 01, 2004 |
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Well folks we’ve run into our first change of plans. Don’t worry, it’s not a big one.
Last week I promised a “Final Mockup, Final Color, Type and Image Study, and HTML prototypes.” Well, that’s not exactly what you’re going to get. I decided, as I’ve done many times in the past, to deviate from the plan a bit. Luckily in this case I can do that!
I’ve run into a bit of a time and resource issue. This is pretty typical for Web projects, especially ones that take much longer than they should! I’ve come to realize that with the added deliverable of a write up and the decreasing “free time” the summer months are bringing — with soccer, softball, parties taking up my week nights I’ve just not had as much time to work on this as I’d have liked.
Never fear! One of my mottos in life is “Keep Moving Forward” — even if it’s slower than planned. I’ve actually done quite a bit of work in the last week, I’ve just taken a different approach to help fit my schedule.
HTML Prototyping
Instead of producing a final mockup and visual studies alongside a rough HTML template I decided to combine these with the hope of saving myself some time this last week and at the same time making it easier for me down the road.
This is actually pretty typical. I’m a big fan of HTML prototyping anyway and I usually do pretty well starting with a basic base in HTML and adding detail as I go. That’s what I ended up doing with Asterisk, and I think it came out pretty well.
Anyway, since the last post I’ve made some pretty significant progress. Still, there is a long way to go.
Beginning With Markup
I started with a pretty basic template that I thought would fit my needs. I keep many of my projects and I like to use them as a basis to start from when possible. Some projects are better started from scratch, but in this case I went with an old template for my XHTML base.
The doctype is XHTML 1.0 Strict and before I made any tweaks it validated just fine — it has since broken, I’m sure, but rest assured I’ll fix it.
So, I took this template and edited it to fit my needs. I added the header, most of the content I’d prepared for the homepage (an about blurb, some news) and placed in the navigation.
Navigation Details
At this point it was un-styled with the exception of the header. I decided to try Didier’s Navigation Matrix as it seemed to suit my needs for the navigation. I was still undecided about how I wanted it to look, so I edited the code and busted out a quick, bland, graphic matrix (kind of a glorified placeholder) and took to getting it working.
It was actually pretty straightforward. I had a few hang-ups and had to edit it pretty extensively, but after an hour or so I got it working. I wanted to use this project to test out a few new techniques if possible and this was one of them.
If you’re wondering — I like it.
Content With Style
I then set to styling the content. I had a pretty good idea of what I wanted to do here, having thought about it a bit. It was important to have the content in place before I got to the CSS for it, even in that content was rough.
I’m a strong believer that designing to your content whenever possible is the best way to go. All to often designers are stuck having to design without a clue what the content will end up being.
I realize this is usually out of the designer’s hand. It’s one of the biggest challenges Web designers (and all sorts of other Web professionals) face.
A Few Details
Once I’d gotten the basic style of the content in there and the navigation matrix all working I began to “refresh” my visual elements in Photoshop.
I updated the header a bit, adding some more aged effects and cleaning it up. I then went about designing a visual look and feel for the navigation. This was the hardest part of the last week.
I tried quite a few treatments before I found one I felt worked. Many of you liked the cut out corners of my first mockup, but to tell the truth I didn’t really, and to add to my dislike they ended up causing some unique challenges.
Nothing I tried seemed to fit. The navigation just looked lost. I almost tried something completely different, but then I finally did get something to work. Even so — it’s not perfect. More on that in a bit.
I added a few details to the content areas using both graphics and more CSS, I added a container background and a marque graphic.
There are still quite a few details to work out, but my goal was to have a working prototype to show some folks (and y’all) as well as to show some progress toward the final design.
You can view my progress so far right here. I’ve not looked at this in IE or on a Windows machine. There could very well be display issues and if so I’ll address those shortly.
Designer’s Preference
As I mentioned I struggled with the look generated by the mast with the cut out corners. I never really liked them and frankly I liked the second mock up better. The main issue was getting the rest of the page, navigation and content, to fall “in line” with that mast and not look…well, “off.”
Maybe it’s just me, but it looks a bit funny when set into the context of the whole page. But you know, it might just be a personal preference. You can’t please everyone all the time and as a designer sometimes you need to go against you’re preference.
Anyway, having said all that, I decided to indulge myself and make an alternate version. This one is a bit more “straight edge” and I prefer it quite a bit.
What I intend to do is show these around and see what others think. If the majority like the first, I’ll continue with that, but if not, I’ll go with the one I like. In a “real world” project I would go with whatever the client liked best as the differences don’t effect end functionality at all.
Next Steps: Real Live User Testing, Design Details and QA
I plan on showing these designs around to folks this week. I even have an informal “cafe user test” planned. I’m going to hit a local bar and see if I can’t get some feedback on the design from some music fans. This, I’m sure, will be interesting.
I’m going to take all that feedback — and yours as well, so be sure to comment, — and refine the design. I hope my work this week will have put me far enough ahead that I’m in a good spot.
I’m also going to clean up my code, run it past the validator and make sure it’s all clean. There are still quite a few functional details to be worked out in the code as well — although this will never be a fully functional site — and I’ll be putting those in this next week as well.
See you next time!
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Comments
1. Dustin said:
I prefer the first one more. The “straight edge” one doesn’t seem to work as well. It’s not “bandish” enough.
Posted on July 1, 2004 10:46 PM | #
2. Michael Watts said:
To be honest i’m not a huge fan of the first design, the cut off corners make the elements remind me too much of those horrible link buttons every poorly website used to have back in the day.
The second design to me is alot more balanced and is easier on the eye.
The one thing i preffer in design one is the styling of the right cloumn. Something about it just doesn’t seem right to me in the second design - not sure why.
Hope this feedback is usefull.
*Wanders off to find somewhere nice to camp until next weeks instalment*
Posted on July 1, 2004 11:18 PM | #
3. Chris Vincent said:
I preferred the first one, actually. It just seems more polished. A few tiny adjustments on the second one would make it infinitely better, IMHO.
Both are very good, however.
One last, very important question: the girl is stock, right? ;)
Posted on July 1, 2004 11:41 PM | #
4. Oliver Schwarz said:
Hi,
just dropped by to say how much I appreciate your work here. For a band the type of beauideal I like your first draft. It has a certain smell of ‘gothic’ - exactly the amount needed here, I think.
What I miss is the consistency of that mood in the objects below on the page. While ‘Who is beauideal’ still has a nice background, all other objects seem to be, hm well, just put there randomly without ‘belonging’ to this page. I hope you get the point, for my english may not be that well.
Oh, and I don’t like the kerning of the News headlines, since on Windows (my computer) the letters are interpreted to narrowly (but I guess this is one of the points which is not finished yet)
Posted on July 1, 2004 11:43 PM | #
5. Jaxon Rice said:
This is great. I prefer the alternate version - looks cleaner and less cluttered. The placement of the media player is also very good - its the first thing that my eye is drawn to. The space above the media player seems bare and a bit of a waste. It might be a good place replace this empty space with the album cover art for the currently playing song, or alternatively a short description of how and why the song was written.
This sort of personal interaction can really make a huge difference on a band website, and can help a prospective fan identify with the band or a particular song.
Posted on July 2, 2004 02:03 AM | #
6. Phred said:
I dunno which one is better.
I think the alternative version looks too clean and the first version too fancy (even almost a bit cheap with the cut out corners).
I like the right column better in the first version..
However the “Who is beauideal” block and the News block are too narrow to eachother.. I’d prefer some space there. And the fonts are too big for my taste.
The beauideal logo, the background and the navigation look very very sweet. Yeah, I’d say the alternative versions head looks very good but the rest doesn’t fit exactly.
Thank you for doing this and helping us to learn something..!
Posted on July 2, 2004 02:34 AM | #
7. Robert Lofthouse said:
As a goth (traditional), I thought i’d make some comments:
The cut out edge of the first web site is my favourite, it gives the site a “unique” look and sets it out from most bands sites who do seem to go with the “straight edge” look.
Both sites seem to give a commercial feel, like they’re tipped to be popular with everyone. From looking at the web site I can’t actually tell that they’re a gothic band, they’re just more of an up-coming nu-metal band/wannabee act. Although, I do remember you saying somewhere that they are trying to mix a variety of styles into their music.
I know you’re still working on it, so it may seem like i’m being a bit pedantic, but:
The tour dates listing should be closer to the title “upcoming tour dates” to show there is a relationship between the two. However, I can tell that you might not have had time to style that section yet.
For a bit of repetition, it would have been nice if the thick border was repeated on the footer, as well as having the footer edges lined up with the edges of the header graphic - the current footer in the first version seems a bit out of place. My eye just wanders when I get to the bottom and a thick footer border would bounce my eye back up to the content, but that’s my opinion.
I do like the way you have used the “leaves” graphic, it’s a nice subtle touch.
Posted on July 2, 2004 04:01 AM | #
8. Steve said:
Thanks for posting your process.. It’s been a wonderful identification journey.
I ordinarallyi woudlnt like the first version but I think it fits with the theme of the site. It diesnt feel off balance to me.
One major thing though- and it might just be my PC here at work running IE5.5, but there is a major space between the top header/nav and the hot chick in the second header.
Did you intend that? I think that both version would look a lot tighter without that space, with the nav overlapping the hot chick.
Plus, I am not crazy about the all black BG on the about us sectiion of the page… why not texture that similar to the header bg?
Tech question: Why did you need (I understand the want part of it) to use the nav matrix, couldnt you have just changed the BG color on the li for the nav? It looks great, I am just curoious.
Until next week…
Steve
Posted on July 2, 2004 06:20 AM | #
9. Jon Kennedy said:
Looks very nice.
The only display inconsistancy i see worth addressing is the fact that #news h1/h2 and #newsletter h1 only have the font-family “times” defined….
WinXP, IE6, nor any other PC system have “times” installed by default, they instead use “times new roman” but you knew that. On my machine, WindowsXP substituted “times” with “system” for some unexplored reason. “times, serif” gets the point across.
#2 seems just a bit too much like a buisness for what it’s worth. Also, just a suggestion, a bit of margin seperating the “who is” section from the news section may prove beneficial, as I initially percieved the section with the dark background-image as the latest update. Just nitpicking is all.
Keep it up big boy.
Posted on July 2, 2004 06:43 AM | #
10. Ryan Mack said:
I definitely prefer the first mockup. Oliver was on to something; If you used the same cut out corner styled borders on the maincol and righcol, or put both of those within a containing box with the cut out corner styled borders (that’s a mouthful), the result might look more consistent. That might also be overdoing it, but it’s worth a try.
Posted on July 2, 2004 07:44 AM | #
11. Keith said:
Thanks for all the comments so far. Most of the “issues” you point out are known. Keep in mind this is very rough. I’ve not seen it on a Windows machine and much of the styling (the tour dates for example) isn’t finished.
However, it’s good to have this kind of feedback, even at an early stage. I’ve talked a bit about how having Art Direction on the Web is important and I see it almost like a writer having an editor.
When you are in there designing, on a limited timeframe too boot, there are lots of little details that can be easily overlooked. I can use this thread as a base to go back and check to make sure I’ve got everything when it comes to QA.
Chris – The girl is stock. I decided to go with someone who looked a bit more “real” than the last glam shot.
Oliver and Ryan – You know I tried the cut out corners for the content area and it was really distracting looking. It really didn’t work. You may be surprised at how awkward those corners are to design around (for?) it’s one of the reasons I don’t like ‘em.
Steve – About the font, I’ve not seen this in Windows yet, but rest assured that will get fixed. Although I’m not going to go so far as to support IE 5.5. I can’t be bothered with that mess to be honest. Sorry! ;)
Posted on July 2, 2004 07:59 AM | #
12. Carsten Ringe said:
Hi Keith!
Long time reader, first time poster. ;-) Nice article and beautiful design. I really enjoy your aricle series about the band. Keep it going!
Carsten
Posted on July 2, 2004 08:34 AM | #
13. A.master said:
I like the second more ,
one thing about the header image .. i don’t like the degree of the lighting on it & it looks plain a bit ;)
we could add a small piece of their lyrics on the left side of the image .. right above the player
as mentioned above the size of is large a bit & i prefer to use Century Gothic of the titles ..
I’m enjoying the series .. keep it up Keith :)
Posted on July 2, 2004 10:33 AM | #
14. Robert Lofthouse said:
hmmm, imo the header is fine as it is. Embrace the space and just because it’s available, doesn’t mean you have to fill it.
Aslong as you have established relationships between elements on the page and there is a degree of uniqueness (like the subtle leaves on the images, the cut off corners and minor type effects), then your design will work.
I sound like someone of queer eye for a straight guy.
Posted on July 2, 2004 12:34 PM | #
15. Christian said:
Keith, there are some display issues in IE6/Win with the nav, but as you said, you hadn’t checked all that stuff yet.
I also much prefer version one and like some others have said think that carrying the cut-off corners into the content boxes might look pretty cool. I know this could be a bit of a bugger to code, but you might want to check out Measure Twice’s CSS rounded corners code, which I think would make doing this quite easy.
I just used it on this site and it worked fine. Good job so far though!
Posted on July 3, 2004 09:06 AM | #
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