RSS Feeds -- Your Take
August 30, 2004 |
82 Comments
Summary: Taking the pulse of my readers on how they use RSS feeds and feedreaders.
I want to get your opinion on various aspects of RSS feeds, how you use them, how you read this site. I’ve got a few specific questions to ask, but feel free to chime in as you will. I really just want to get a general idea of how people out there are using RSS.
I’m pretty sure this has been discussed elsewhere before, and I’ve talked about it a bit here at Asterisk. It’s just that recently I’ve had all sorts of offline conversations about the best way to offer and read/use RSS feeds. It’s something I realize I need to know a bit more about.
First off, let me tell you how I use RSS, then I’ll get to the questions.
How I “do” RSS feeds
For Asterisk I really wanted to offer readers a choice. I have several feeds to choose from. Many of you have voiced your appreciation of the fact that I offer a “Web only” feed and a full post feed. Others have questioned the value of these separate feeds, even so far as to advise against them, and I can see the points there as well.
I guess I’m probably loosing Google ad revenue to feeds, and some people are missing out on other parts of my site, such as the design, but I prefer to give the reader the choice. You know, user-centered and all that, and anyway, I know I’d want that choice if I used a news-reader.
Which I don’t. Not really.
I do have a news-reader and I do keep it open and subscribe to lots of feeds, but I’ve been pretty happy with just checking blo.gs to see when my favorite sites have been updated and go read them in their HTML glory. I spend lots of time in my news-reader marking things as “read.”
No, the simple update from blo.gs has worked well for me, and still seems to, although I do miss some stuff now and again. But, then again, there is so much out there I don’t think any feed-reader or notification system would help me get it all.
I’m sure I’ll change my online reading habits at some point but for now I like simple updates to tell me when to check a site.
How do you “do” RSS feeds?
Now to my questions. I’ll try and leave them open ended. Again, feel free to answer however you like, or pose new questions.
Do you use a feed-reader to read Asterisk (and other sites), and if so, do you prefer it to reading via a browser? Do you like summaries or full text? Would you stop reading a site that didn’t offer full text? Do you prefer summaries? What about feeds for separate categories, comments or topic groups?
What about ads via RSS? If there were a way to insert adverts into news feeds would that bother you?
(Before you ask, I don’t know if this is being done, could be done, or if I’d consider doing it.)
What are your favorite feed-readers, or RSS aggregation/notification sites? Are there some of you out there who are still pretty new to RSS feeds and don’t really know how to use them?
So what’s your take on news feeds?
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Comments
1. Natalie said:
I use Bloglines (online via the browser) to keep me updated with whats new on the websites I visit that have feeds. It does the job, but in around 80% of cases I will visit the actual website to get the entire article, images or read people’s comments.
I think sites that offer a choice of full or summary RSS are doing the right thing, giving your end-user a choice of coming to your site, or using a reader is really ideal.
Posted on August 31, 2004 12:14 AM | #
2. Tommy Olsson said:
I don’t use a news reader, but even if I did, I’d prefer to read the posts on the proper site. There is more to a post than the content: there is also the design and typography and all that ambience.
Ads in RSS feeds sounds like a terrible idea to me, but I detest advertisement in general, so I suppose I’m biased.
Posted on August 31, 2004 12:23 AM | #
3. Benedikt said:
I use the Sage plugin for Firefox. I always keep it open as a sidebar on the left (my display is 1400px wide, so there are no space problems with most sites). At the moment I don’t use summaries/full text at all. If there is something new on Asterisk (or any other site) I’ll just check it out. But I have to admit that if I there were more than 20-25 pages in my news reader, I would find summaries useful. That way I wouldn’t have to visit every website to see if the new content is worth reading.
I hardly use feeds for sperate categories or topic groups, although I sometimes find feeds for comments quite useful as well as some special feeds (ig. iTunes New Releases).
Ads in feeds? Well, I usually don’t like ads, but if there are done in a decent way (like the ones between articles and comments on Asterisk ;-) )…
My favourite (and only) news reader is Sage. I never used stand alone readers, because for me news feeds are somehting that makes checking websites for new content easier and is therefore a feature I need in my browser/while browsing.
Posted on August 31, 2004 12:35 AM | #
4. Thomas Goyne said:
I use Awasu for my feed reading. While I love having a beutiful site to see the blogs in, the problem is that even with my mere 50 feeds there is a substantial difference between how long it takes to read full text feeds and summery feeds. I’m no where close to Scoble’s level, so I don’t demand full text, but I do highly prefer it.
Ads in the RSS would be fine if done well. I wouldn’t mind having the google links statically inserted into the feed, but I don’t think the TOS allows you to do that.
Posted on August 31, 2004 12:38 AM | #
5. Bogdan Manolache said:
For more than a week now I use NewsGator, a news reader for Outlook. It is great and I have added all the blogs I read. But I still use the websites … I get noticed for new posts and only the excerpts are displyed. If I am interrested in that post I have a link next to that post’s title to open the real page in outlook. This way I know when new posts appear and also enjoy the design of the website (being a designer myself I really enjoy that part). Is there any RSS reader better than NewsGator?
Posted on August 31, 2004 12:42 AM | #
6. Scrivs said:
Ads via RSS is being done and I have only seen companies get blasted for doing so. Could give you more information, but I am tired as hell.
Posted on August 31, 2004 12:48 AM | #
7. Abhay S. Kushwaha said:
My first aggregator was Bloglines.com but I moved to FeedDemon soon afterwards. The past month, since moving to Linux, I’m on liferea.
I appreciate full-text posts in RSS feeds. Whenever something interesting comes along, I visit the site for more information, comments, etc. Not otherwise. Not enough time to visit the sites and read all the posts… I think full-text feed is the right spirit for general content feeds.
I don’t like truncated/summary feeds. People generally are not good at writing meta content for their posts. Plus, their blog’s trucation limit might be too low – I come across many posts where the summary doesn’t even touch the topic properly. I appreciate these only for news-related blogs.
I have seen ads in RSS feeds. My personal take on advertising is this: Whenever I come across something interesting and valuable, I visit the site anyway for more. When I’m there, I make it a point to click on an ad – there’s always something interesting. :) I don’t like ads in feeds though - I find them distracting.
Posted on August 31, 2004 12:57 AM | #
8. Rachel C said:
I have patches of using Feedreaders (e.g. Syndirella, Sage, Newsgator, Kinja and now the free trial of FeedDemon) and patches of surfing blogs.
Recently, I’ve realised it’s too hard for me to keep up with my favourite sites, even though I want to. My time is limited, so I’m subscribing to the sites I really want to keep up with, scanning the headlines and reading the excerpts/full posts of ones I enjoy. I feel like I can keep up to date better using a feedreader, but I do like seeing the site’s design too so often click on the post permalink from the feedreader to see the site properly.
I’m not convinced I’ve found the best solution for feeds, but am liking what I’ve got for now.
Posted on August 31, 2004 12:58 AM | #
9. Alex said:
I use Bloglines on a daily basis and found it to be very comfortable. I have stopped wandering through poorly organized bookmarks and sometimes even desperately trying to remember some site I really liked. You should definitely give Bloglines a try.
As for ads in RSS, eWeek has an advert in almost any of its feeds, for example. Definitely against this.
Posted on August 31, 2004 12:58 AM | #
10. Brad Daily said:
I use Bloglines as well, but find it takes away from the experience of reading on the site. Tommy’s right, ambiance is big, but maybe that has to do with our personalities as designers.
For instance, when this update came into Bloglines, I started reading, but since my first two feeds alphabetically are //hickdesign and Asterisk, I mistakenly thought this was Jon’s post for about the first half of it, something that would never have happened reading directly from the site.
I do value feeds for other means, particularly news. I mean, who needs to see Slashdot’s ambiance? :)
Posted on August 31, 2004 12:58 AM | #
11. daniel harvey said:
I used Amphetadesk before switching over to Bloglines. I think newsreaders have to be web-based to be truly effective. My feed list currently has 80 subscriptions (the majprity of which are accessible to the public both through bloglines and via my blogroll) and honestly, if I didn’t read them through a reader I’d never get through half of them regardless of how great the content or the site is. There’s just not enough time in the day.
That said, the posts that catch my eye have a gravity. For example, just earlier today I came here to Asterisk to read/blog the posts about web mistakes and SEO. Obviously I came here as well to respond to this post.
RSS readers do decrease the time browsing a site but I’m not entirely convinced they dramatically reduce the time spent actually reading/participating in a site. Does that make sense?
Posted on August 31, 2004 01:01 AM | #
12. Jonathan M. Hollin said:
Whenever a website I enjoy (like Asterisk) pings blo.gs then they are guaranteed a subscription.
I use blo.gs to drive the blogroll on my personal website, so I am always aware of when my favourite authors have posted new content. A simple click and I get the article in all their presentational glory.
For those websites who don’t ping blo.gs (why not?), I use NewsGator to manage my subscriptions. I always prefer summaries only as I like to read everything in the web browser, as it was intended.
For websites that don’t offer feeds, I bookmark them (of course). But it’s rare that I revisit a bookmark (syndicate or die).
I would prefer not to see ads in feeds, but respect your right to serve them and acknowledge that the revenue opportunities are hard to ignore.
I don’t think feeds should be offered for comments, I think all comment handlers should provide for subscription by email. The main reason for this is that I am becoming increasingly concerned by the bandwidth demands of mass-syndication (see: http://www.wingedpig.com/archives/000162.html).
I am extremely irritated by webmasters (or, perhaps more accurately CMS systems) that update the timestamps incorrectly when an existing item is modified.
Clever feed handling is employed by Ryan Brill who combines all his feeds into one, then changes the title of the feed to reflect what’s changed in the content. Thus, when blo.gs notifies me of an update on Brill’s weblog, I can see at glance what sort of content has been added and thus elect whether or not I am interested in clicking through. Kudos to Ryan for this neat touch.
All in all Keith, there’s nothing in your current handling of RSS that bothers me. I think you have it right as it is now.
Kindest regards…
Posted on August 31, 2004 01:04 AM | #
13. KMB said:
I am using Bloglines as well, because it (like other news readers I suppose) makes scanning feeds for preferred content so much faster. You can switch between the feeds of your choice within seconds and it loads faster (being mostly text and the feeds already grabbed from the site), too (which is probably the cause for it loading faster).
My own usage of the feeds is scanning the first lines of the entry and if I like what read I open the link to the entry in a new tab and completely read it there.
Oh and please don’t do ads in your feed. It would totally ruin the ‘flava’ of rss-feeds in my mind.
Posted on August 31, 2004 01:10 AM | #
14. Rimantas said:
Bloglines user here too. I’ve tried SharpReader and FeedDaemon, but moved to bloglines. Now I can access my feed from wherever I want and no need to think, how to keep all in sync. Clippings folder is good to.
I rarely read entire post in Bloglines - usualy I just check which sites are updated. If summary looks interesting I go to site and read it all there. If no - just skip.
Posted on August 31, 2004 01:14 AM | #
15. Meitar Moscovitz said:
I use my RSS aggregator almost as much as I use my Web browser. Since I have a Windows laptop, I use SharpReader, while on my iMac I use NetNewsWire Lite. I am looking forward to ThinReader as a cross-platform, open-source news reader.
I like to think of my news reader as an alternative web browser of sorts that gives me content-only web pages, much like the way the Web was back in the early nineties. I enjoy the fact that I can instantly “browse” literally hundreds of sites by clicking one refresh button on my news reader and have access to any new content of interest: that, I believe, was the whole point of RSS!
The first thing I did when I discovered the technology was unsubscribe myself from every single newsletter subscription that had an RSS feed as an alternative. It’s more effecient, more interesting and keeps my email correspondence clean. I used to use filters and “rules” in my email client to get those newsletters funneled into their own folders. Now, my RSS aggregator has rightfully taken over that role, and it does the job a whole lot better.
I am rather annoyed that there are so many different formats for RSS. NetNewsWire Lite doesn’t support Atom, for example. But, I digress.
As far as how I like to read posts: I appreciate full-text feeds because I don’t want to keep switching between my browser and my news reader. It’s not really that big a deal, though. Many of my 200+ subscriptions publish only summaries, but then so did the newsletters I got so I don’t feel like I’m losing anything.
Blogs are a different story, however. I very much dislike blogs without full post feeds because of the content-rich nature of blogs. While I can appreciate the argument that I may be missing the “design” of a blog when I read its text-only newsfeed, I like to think that the content of that text is the most important element of the blog.
Furthermore, in my mind it is analogous to the difference between reading a novel and watching a movie made from the novel: the book (the text-only newsfeed) is always more enthralling specifically because I am not distracted by the design or the full-blown web page. Blogs are frequently chock-full of links. Blogrolls, badges and buttons, comments, navigation to the rest of the site, permalinks, links within the post and more. The newsfeeds I get, thankfully, strip out almost all of that and leave just the meat of the matter: the content. Besides, links in the content is what I’m really after, since navigation in a news reader isn’t to other parts of the same site, but to other feeds.
As for ads, as you can probably guess, I would hate them to appear in news feeds, and I don’t really think that needs too much explaining. Besides, this has become rather long for a comment anyway. :)
Love your blog, by the way. Both the content and the design.
Posted on August 31, 2004 01:18 AM | #
16. Jakob S said:
I use FeedDemon to read Asterisk and a bundle of other sites, and I do prefer reading the full text feeds this way over reading in a browser. The ease of keeping track of entries and the time saved is what makes the difference for me.
Sure, on occasion I do miss seeing the design of the website, but I can usually remember how a site looks. It’s not like it’s going to change much without some kind of notification in the feed.
I really should give an in-browser feed aggregator a shot since it sounds like a way to get the best of both worlds.
As for ads in feeds I could see that being done acceptably. Using text only ads is pretty much a given in my opinion, preferably placed at the very end of the entry. Something like the Google text ads would work, however I am sure it isn’t possible since Google heeds to have indexed the page to show proper ads.
Posted on August 31, 2004 01:53 AM | #
17. André said:
I do use feedreaders to read news on websites, but I also visit them. It happens quite often, that I read it first in my newsreader and revisit the news on the page later. Especially if it is a long article.
Sometimes you really have to visit the page, i.e. some rss feeds of photoblogs only offer the comment on the photo but not the photo itself.
I’m fine with a short teaser text. I don’t need the full text in my newsreader.
Feeds for separate categories can be helpfull. Depends on the category.
Feeds for separate comments I’ve never used, but I think it can be usefull sometimes.
I’m sceptical about Ads in news feeds. I wolud expect that they can be clearly identified via the subject. If this is the case, who would read them?
BTW: I recall having seen it.
I haven’t used too many newsreaders. Currently I’m using Feedreader. But I’m not too happy with it.
Checked Newgator and intraVnews. Both can be used within Outlook. But I think I like having a separate programm for news feeds, not mixing up with my mail client.
Best regards
André
Posted on August 31, 2004 02:10 AM | #
18. Mike P. said:
Hey Keith,
I am subscribed to a bunch of feeds, but I usually click thru to the site when I get them and delete the entry from my reader…
Posted on August 31, 2004 02:13 AM | #
19. Anol said:
I use FeedDemon to read 150+ blogs per day. Without RSS there is no way I could possibly relish all these sites. When a particular post attract my attention, I visit the actual post, go through the comments and Trackbacks. I also use w.bloggar as offline blogging tool, which works nicely with FeedDemon, making my blogging life very easy.
About advertising in RSS feed, as a blogger I know that apart from Movable Type, Asterisk as well as many other blogs are powered by lots of time stolen from other important things of life. If you are getting something out of it, even as a token, I do not think anyone should have a problem with that.
Also thanks for giving such a variety of choices of RSS feed, really appreciate that.
Posted on August 31, 2004 02:17 AM | #
20. Christian Gloddy said:
All I want is notification that a site I read has been updated in the browser I already use. I popped up a post about it:
All I Want from RSS is Notification
Posted on August 31, 2004 02:33 AM | #
21. Dave Meehan said:
Feed snippet size depends on the reader, not the producer. We are all different, have varying amounts of time to get the news we want, and varying reasons for doing so.
As a minimum, a site should provide one feed, preferably containing full article text. RSS is about syndication, and that should mean full article syndication. In the publishing world, syndication might mean an abridged version of an article, but this is not usually truncated, but specifically rewritten for a shorter narative.
People consume RSS for different reasons. Some people use it as a ‘change’ log for a website, and a title is enough. Other people like some of the content on a site, and use summaries to decide whether to delve deeper, and some people read everything a site produces, and there a full article is probably right, although in some cases those people might well just follow the link to the webpage version because there is supplemental info (or just the page layout) that makes long content more accessible.
What I do find funny is that most websites produce seperate feed resources when they publish alternative views. What’s wrong with a parameter? mysite.com/feed.rss?content=synopsis for example, instead of mysite.com/synopsis.rss. Most Rss feeds are dynamically produced, so this aids site maintenance.
Of course there may be other reasons for sites producing less or more in their feeds. If the site relies on advertising for revenue, and that advertising is not carried in the feed, you would be as well to only include titles or abstracts in the feed so you ensure for relevant content you gain some advertising revenue (and that should be worth more because you’ve filtered the consumer to suit the content).
Generally though, I’ll woe the day when sites start putting adverts in RSS. I just don’t think its relevant, and the above method is a practical alternative.
Finally, some sites use RSS as a bandwidth reduction scheme. That was my angle when I started. I could delivery 10 times the RSS in the same bandwidth as the webpage, which was a very useful benefit. Also, as my page doesn’t change frequently, once someone is subscribed to the feed its easier to get return visits as you have a useful notification mechanism thats probably more powerful than email mailing lists.
Posted on August 31, 2004 02:34 AM | #
22. Richard MacManus said:
I use Bloglines and I often like to read full text in there. If the post is of particular interest to me (like this one), I’ll click through to browse the comments. Or if I feel like having a browse of someone’s website.
I’d prefer you continue to offer a full-text feed, but of course that’s just my request (a humble user). I find on a lot of summary-only feeds, I don’t get ‘drawn into’ the post/story - so oftentimes I don’t click through. With a full post, at least I can scan the whole thing (which web users are pretty adept at doing) and get a feel of the content before deciding to read it.
regards,
Posted on August 31, 2004 03:07 AM | #
23. Gabriel Mihalache said:
My ideal feed would be one where the author publishes just the excerpt on the feed and then I’d go to the page if I’m interested. The disadvantage is that most people can’t or won’t take the time to write the excerpt themselves, so we end up with the first 40 words of the full entry, which might end up not even touching the subject. This being said, if you don’t do excerpts, I’d rather you publish the entire feed. YMMV
Posted on August 31, 2004 03:16 AM | #
24. Gabriel Mihalache said:
P.S. Bloglines user here! I’ve tried 3-4 .NET clients and a bunch of Java ones, but web-based + notifier is unbeatable for now. Outlook integration might be nice if I were to use Outlook.
Posted on August 31, 2004 03:18 AM | #
25. Hermann said:
It took quite a while to get myself into the feed world. I hated the idea of not visiting the page of the creator, not because that way he’d loose hits, but because feeds are so inpersonal.
But as my list of daily reads grew bigger I was forced to try them out. I must say as a site owner, that most people (like myself) just use the feedreaders as notifiers and mostly read the articles at the page itself. I tend to read the first lines of the post, and if interests me I’ll continue reading at the authors page.
A variety of choices of feeds is always a good idea, because not everyone uses feedreaders that support all the different kinds.
It’s also good because some people, like me, only read the first parts of the posts at the feedreader. So there is no use in sending the whole article.
The more the better.
Posted on August 31, 2004 03:24 AM | #
26. Donna Maurer said:
Thx for asking this - what a fabulous set of user research!
I use a reader for RSS. I only visit a website (yours and others) if the topic is compelling enough and there is only a summary, or if I think that there might be interesting comments. I prefer full posts rather than summaries and have never subscribed to a comments feed (they tend to get too random). There are a couple of sites that I’d like to read that don’t have feeds, which basically means that I forget to read them…
Posted on August 31, 2004 03:48 AM | #
27. Dave Marks said:
I use SharpReader (www.sharpreader.net) as my feed reader. Its a great little app thats free :)
I have a whole bunch of sites that i like to be notified of when they update.
I much prefer to read an article on the relevent website, but i like to have the full article in the feed - that way if its short, i’ll probably read it right there, if i’m not sure whether its relevent, i can scan a few headings etc to get a feel for whether its gonna interest me, or if indeed i’ve read about it somewhere else.
Oh and what really bugs me is the way some updates are done. Ideally i think you should have an UPDATED: link at the top of the page/feed. So i know you’ve added something as oppossed to fixing a typo - Not occusing yourself, but for example meyerweb - if eric puts an update on the post, i have to go to the site to see if its been updated, or just tinkered with. Its all about getting as much info as possible in the shortest amount of time :)
I appreciate the way that photomatt for instance seperates his asides and similarly Dave Shea’s dailies… if i’m not interested in these i can chose not to subscribe to them and prevent getting bogged down, missing the articles i want to read!
I don’t think ad’s in the feed would bother me, assuming they don’t get in the way and are clearly seperated - a hr or something.
Posted on August 31, 2004 03:59 AM | #
28. Daryl said:
I use a reader called RSSOwl (works on Linux) and tend to prefer full text feeds to summaries. Even so, I tend to read the beginnings of entries in my reader and, for sites whose design I find appealing, I’ll click on through to the site itself to finish reading. It gives me a sense of context or something.
Posted on August 31, 2004 04:13 AM | #
29. Totoro said:
I prefer full text feeds, so I can read entire articles without opening the full site. This way I stay focused on the article, it’s fast and efficient.
I also like when “serious” and “personal” artciles are separated. As a webdesigner when I subscribe to a feed I expect to read about web things, not about cats and dogs :)
Posted on August 31, 2004 04:26 AM | #
30. Humberto Oliveira said:
I use Bloglines since I work on different computers during the day. I would rather the feed have only the summary so that I can read the post in the original site. The design of a site is one of the reasons that take me to visit it and I am not very confortable in reading the full post in the newsreader.
Posted on August 31, 2004 04:36 AM | #
31. John Serris said:
I have all my regular reads added to bloglines, but I only use it for a quick glance at whats new. I usually click on the web link when I see something interesting. I prefer looking at the actual web site.
Posted on August 31, 2004 04:45 AM | #
32. Mark IJbema said:
I mostly use the RSS feed to keep up to date with the blogs i read. Whenever a new article appears i open it in the browser anyways. However, when i’m not at home and use my rss reader over rss (i use a console reader (snownews)) i prefer reading the whole article in my newsreader.
I personally wouldn’t really care if there were ads, as long as they’re not intrusive (or graphical, since my reader doesn’t render them ;) ). I can’t click on them or open them though, since my reader renders no html (it mainly strips it)
Posted on August 31, 2004 04:52 AM | #
33. Aleksandar said:
FeedDemon here (I don’t nearly use it as much it is capable of).
When I encounter some new web site, I mostly first read it through the browser, from time to time. Then, if I see a worthwhile content that could benefit me on daily basis, then I add it to FD. I check daily, and mostly read all I add.
I prefer good sumaries (something I rarely do properly for my own blog) and prefer to read posts in a browsers.
However, I reallu like it when people put links in summaries, so I can click on whatever they talk about. I usually click on both the post link and in-post links.
Posted on August 31, 2004 05:00 AM | #
34. Geof said:
I do use an aggregator. If the entry is long or I wish to comment, I will click through to the actual site. Long entries are usually better presented in the way the author intended the reader to view them, and obviously commenting doesn’t happen in August 2004’s aggregators.
I’m indifferent as to whether I’m reading a summary or a full-text, but the full-text is going to involve me more and is far more likely to get a click-through.
I consider ads via syndication to be inevitable, but I also recognize that there will be aggregator writers who will do so as well and will seek to, client-side, suck the ads right out of the presentation. [What, no one’s said that yet?]
Posted on August 31, 2004 05:06 AM | #
35. Ste Grainer said:
I use Bloglines to read feeds, but I usually read actual posts on the website they’re from. A few things I like about Bloglines over a simple service like blo.gs:
- I can mark feeds unread if I don’t have time to read them or want to remind myself to read them later.
- I can “sync” what I’ve read between home to work. Since Bloglines is web-based, it remembers the state of things I’ve read on any computer. (Syncing is what keeps me from using a software-based feed reader - I got tired of having to mark items in NetNewsWire that I’d already read. Luckily, the next version reportedly supports this feature.)
How I “do” it:
I leave a tab open in Firefox all the time to Bloglines (at home and at work). It refreshes automatically every hour. Whenever I get a spare moment between projects, I’ll check any new posts. A lot of the feeds I have are news-related so I can quickly skim the news without committing myself to a single news site. If an article is particularly interesting or longer than I feel I have time to read, I’ll mark it unread (this is where I have an issue with Bloglines; you can only mark a feed unread, not an individual item) and catch up to it when I get home.
I have my feeds divided up into several categories to make things easier: Technology, Design, Personal, General, Photos, Mac, Quick, and Comics. (Quick, for me, is the “remaindered links” and short links that so many weblogs have these days.)
Posted on August 31, 2004 05:22 AM | #
36. Zephyr said:
I only recently started using feeds, after realising there’s way too much good stuff written on way too many sites to check individually.
I use Bloglines. I chose an online service because I want to be able to read it at work (from different computers) and at home.
When I check on the new posts for a site, I read the headlines en summaries in Bloglines. If they seem promising enough I’ll visit the weblog because I really appreciate seeing the weblogs design. And it’s a way nicer style than on Bloglines. But then again, I’m a designer myself.
Posted on August 31, 2004 05:22 AM | #
37. Eli Sarver said:
I use feedonfeeds, and I grab your ‘every entry’ feed. I don’t really care if a ‘tech’ site talks about real life, and isn’t that what weblogging is all about?
Feedonfeeds is nice because I can access it anywhere, while still protecting it via apache directives. Also, no software to tote around, so it’s truly portable. And when I find something new to add, I don’t have to remember it for later.
I mostly read the articles in RSS, and if they promise more content, I click through to the site.
Posted on August 31, 2004 05:23 AM | #
38. Richard said:
This is a great question.
I use NetNewsWire to track lots of things but like others above, tend to click through to the site when the headline/topic is involved enough so I want more context than just text.
The aggregation vs. notification vs alternative browser issue is one I’m struggling with as when I get up in the morning and NetNewsWire says I have over 100 items unread I find it daunting, more so than just browsing around the sites I like to browse around scanning.
It’s a better way to not miss things but makes me at times feel like I’ve had too much coffee.
So I do a bit of both but am still not sure how it will settle out.
For your site I always click through as I’d rather read with your typography and look.
Posted on August 31, 2004 05:27 AM | #
39. Dave Mead said:
I’m fairly new to using RSS feeds and have found Bloglines to be really good. It offers a notifier that sits at the bottom of Mozilla and I just click on that to see who’s updated and if I want to read the whole piece I’ll visit the site.
It also has a nice add feed feature with a right-click.
I’m not sure if I’ll progress to something like Feed Demon but I know that ads in feeds would turn me off. Using Bloglines definitely saves me time now I don’t have to visit each site in case it’s been updated.
Dave
Posted on August 31, 2004 05:38 AM | #
40. Yannick L. said:
I use “Gush” by 2entwine. I prefer to have a summary and then if I am interested I will click on it and go to read the full version on the persons website in all its glory.
Yup, as I don’t really like adverts on the web.
Posted on August 31, 2004 05:40 AM | #
41. geeky said:
I use FeedDemon for my feeds, and have 3 “Channels” or groups of feeds - my Web Development group (which you are in), my Tech News group, and my Other News group. Personally, I find it easier to keep up with the web development community if I read via RSS.
I’m currently using your summaries feed, and I like it. It’s enough to give me an idea of what you’re talking about and if I should read it. I would say about 75% of the time I click through to your site. As far as ads in RSS feeds go, I don’t think I would mind as long as they were clearly separated from the content and something tasteful like the google ads.
That being said, I do still read all my personal blog reads without RSS. I like seeing the designs and the other bits of personality you don’t get with an RSS feed.
Posted on August 31, 2004 05:54 AM | #
42. Randy said:
I use Bloglines to read my news feeds. I prefer summaries to full-text; I scan the article summks to the web page for the full stories that interest me.
Posted on August 31, 2004 06:28 AM | #
43. Waylman said:
I use the RSS Reader pluging for Firefox. I tried a Newsreader but never liked reading the content outside of the site so I went back. I like having the list of updated feeds in the sidebar. This way I never need to switch between windows to go back and forth between feeds and the actual sites.
As such I never use either summarys or full articles in the feeds. I just note which sites have been updated, get a list of new entries and bring them up knowing nothing more than the title.
Considering my approach, I don’t imagine I would ever see any ads added to your feeds unless they were added as another entry/article. This would cause my reader to indicate you have knew content and unless the title of the entry clearly indicated it was just an ad (which would be annoying enough in itself) I would come to your site expecting some new content to only find some ads that I normaly ignore anyway. That would be extremely annoying and could cause me to remove your site from my list no matter how good the real content is.
Now if you imbedded the ads into the body of the content/summary I would never see them and could care less. Other’s however, might feel differently.
As far as different feeds for different content - I like one feed that lists all new articles for a site regardless of subject. If a particlar article doesn’t interest me, I just ignore it, but I still want to know it’s there, that I have the option to read it. Which reminds me: Didn’t you use to have “SOW:” appended to the title of your Song of the Weeks entries in the feed (maybe on the site too)? I miss that in the feed. That way I always knew what to expect. How about adding a few more like “WEB:” or “Personal:” or something like that? It’s just an idea, maybe even a bad one.
Posted on August 31, 2004 06:36 AM | #
44. Wim said:
I’ve been using NewsFire (nice new OSX app) for a few days now. It’s the first feed aggregator I’ve ever used.
So far I found I just use it to see what sites have updated. As I’ve used Kinja in a similar way for some time now.
And yes, Asterisk is on the list.
IMO feeds are a great way to let your users now you’ve updated in addition to the obligatory -subscribe to my e-mail notification-
Posted on August 31, 2004 06:41 AM | #
45. kyle said:
I’ve tried a bunch of rss readers, but none really did what I wanted. I finally settled on the php based feed on feeds which I’ve customized to my own liking.
I use it for the majority of the sites I visit. I prefer full text (because if it gets to be a burden I can just edit the source and implement a “See More” button. I find it especially useful for link feeds. I have all the feeds on one page, and just open up anything for further reading in a new tab.
Posted on August 31, 2004 06:59 AM | #
46. Wired said:
I also use Bloglines to get my daily news fix.
As for the topic of ads, while I would rather not see them, I can see them eventually filtering into this media type. In fact, I am considering it for a project of mine. However, the main RSS feeds will be helping other sites grow, so I see this as a definite possibility. Then again, a simple full subscription mode may be another alternative.
Posted on August 31, 2004 07:10 AM | #
47. Joel LaTondress said:
I prefer to read my feeds in the layout the author intended, so I generally scan the feed and if interested, open the site in FeedReader’s content pane.
Posted on August 31, 2004 07:13 AM | #
48. Ryan said:
I use Yahoo…
Posted on August 31, 2004 07:38 AM | #
49. Ram Yoga said:
I generally use a feed-reader as a notification service, and read sites via a browser. I like having the choice of subscribing to full posts but I generally go for the summaries as that suits me better.
I go through the summaries in my feed-reader and read the most interesting posts first. – This all depends on what I have time for. Sometimes I don’t have the time to read a long post, and I’ll mark it as unread, and come back to it later.
I don’t like having feeds for different categories, although I see this might be useful. I guess the reason for this is that I don’t want more feeds in the reader than neccesary. I already have 40 subscriptions… And I keep finding interesting sites to read. :) I therefore prefer to keep all content from one site in one feed.
Ads via RSS? I’d prefer not to get ads in feeds, but I also understand the need for authors to have a way of earning some money. Text-only ads that are as discrete as possible would be my suggestion. But not having any would be better. ;-)
My feed-reader of choice is NetNewsWire. RSS has definitely changed the way I surf. In general I read many more sites than I used to, and I seem to be finding more interesting content. The problem now is being able to actually read all the interesting stuff I find!
Posted on August 31, 2004 07:46 AM | #
50. Shaun said:
I kinda swing both ways. I check my subscriptions through a feed-reader (lifrea on linux) in the same mindset (and usually at the same time) as I check my email .. “sit down and catch up with the world” moments. Then when I have more free time on my hands, I take a wander throught my bookmarks and actually visit sites. Neither replaces the other for me, but feeds are a good on-the-go solution.
Posted on August 31, 2004 07:47 AM | #
51. Nick Finck said:
I use FeedDemon at home after hours, but Blo.gs during the day. In both cases I don’t actually read the material via the RSS feed. Instead I prefer to skim it (i.e. I wish these were summaries instead of full articles) and then if it is of interest I will click on the link and read the material on the site with the added design (i.e. improved readability, better fonts, better typography, etc.).
No, I would not stop reading the site if you didn’t offer full text. But note, there is a difference between partial text and summaries. I prefer summaries.
Personally I don’t come to your site for the music and movie info. I come to it for the web design and web industry related info. So ya, it would be nice to have a fead without all that other stuff… but that’s just my personal preference.
Ads via RSS, don’t go there. Yes, it would bother me. I mean, I love the idea of independent web designers making a living off this and I support you as much as I can, but RSS was never intended to deliver ads or anything outside of standard information (i.e. text and links). Asside from if it can be done or should it be done, I think there is also some issues of if you do it, what benefit does the feed actually have. You have to think of the goals of your RSS feed from the standpoint as if you invented RSS and were running on your site to serve a specific need. To me, that need is to distribute information, not design, not graphics, and certainly not ads.
I use FeedDemon and Blo.gs and I love them. I have accounts everywhere else but those other sites seems to be poorly organized, not well maintained (hello! data cleansing anyone???), so I don’t use them for that reason.
I almost view them as a email newsletter. A text stream of news and information, delivered on demand when something new is published. So, I guess I should note that I “hate” it when I see people editing old entries and all the sudden their blogging software marks that RSS entry as new.. what’s up with that?
Posted on August 31, 2004 07:56 AM | #
52. Jennifer Grucza said:
I use the Sage Firefox extension. I’m surprised only a couple other people have mentioned using it. It’s perfect for what I want - it tells me about new posts, and if I’m unsure about if I want to read it, I just hover over the post title and it gives me an excerpt.
Since I use Sage, it wouldn’t make any difference to me whether you offered summary or full text feeds (I usually choose summary if it’s available), or if there were ads, because I wouldn’t see them.
I like to see if there are new comments, but I don’t really like how comment feeds work. I wish there were some way of grouping the comments based on post or something, because often one post will have so many comments that they’ll push any other post comments off the feed (like what happens with your music posts - a bunch of people I’ve never heard of commenting on music I don’t have any interest in. :) Do you have a non-music comments feed?)
Posted on August 31, 2004 08:03 AM | #
53. Kevin H. Stecyk said:
- FeedDemon
- Much prefer full text over summaries
- For blogs, I prefer seeing everything as opposed to categories
- prefer to see no ads, but would not stop reading with only text ads
With RSS feeds I can quickly read blogs. Those blogs that have not posted any new material don’t slow me down. Those blogs that have posted new material can quickly and easily be read. With Nick Bradbury’s FeedDemon, I am able to quickly read important news stories and follow those blogs that interest me.I believe that RSS feeds will grow in popularity. The NY Times, Wall Street Journal Online, and Washington Post are just some examples of major news organizations that are providing their readers with RSS feeds. As more people understand how to use RSS feeds and appreciate its time savings, RSS feeds will likely grow dramatically.
Posted on August 31, 2004 08:06 AM | #
54. Adam Bramwell said:
Says Matt Haughey:
Word. The blo.gs sidebar is the nicest way and it doesn’t use RSS (I think, just pings?).
I only use RSS via bloglines for linkblogs, and would really like it if everybody formatted their feeds the same way, so the links actually go to the content, not the HTML equivalent of the RSS feed!
A few sites don’t ping blo.gs, so they are bookmarked and checked in bulk by the Firefox bookmarks link checker extension.
Posted on August 31, 2004 08:07 AM | #
55. Sarah said:
I use Bloglines as well for my RSS reader. I like being able to use the browser to read the feeds and not have to go between two applications.
My process is slightly different from what has been said. I view the new posts in Bloglines first and read the title and the summary or skim the post. I tend to like good summaries the best. If I want to read more, I right click and open the post in a new tab. Then I go on to the next new item and do the same. Often I’ll end up having a bunch on tabs open in my browser and throughout the day I’ll go through them and read the sites as I have time. It serves as both a reminder to read that site and I also like being on the actual website. Also, this way I have cleared up the reader so that I know when there is new content throughout the day when I am notified by the Bloglines notifier.
I supposed if I had a ton of sites in my reader like some people, I could end up having 50 tabs open if I did it this way. But for now it works.
Posted on August 31, 2004 08:08 AM | #
56. will said:
I tried using FeedDemon for a while. At first, I was excited that I could quickly cram tons of information into my head with it. But after about a week, I found myself turning back to my bookmarks in my web browser. Why? I think it has something to do with the “still like the smell of a fresh newspaper in the morning” phenomenon.
I still prefer checking out a web site as it was meant to be, not just bits of information extracted from a web site and sent into an RSS reader. It gives me a sense of place, and helps maintain a sense of community. Perhaps most importantly, it puts a personality behind what I am reading.
Posted on August 31, 2004 08:29 AM | #
57. Keith said:
Whoa, y’all blow me away at times. I posted this, went to bed and expected a few responses when I got up. Not this many though! Wow.
Thanks so much for the feedback and participating in this. It’ll take me a bit to get through it all, but this kind of stuff really helps me make Asterisk as good as it can be. Keep it coming and, again, thanks–you’re the best!
Posted on August 31, 2004 08:38 AM | #
58. Taco John said:
I offer a full RSS and Atom feed on my site. I’m just looking to get readers now, so giving them every option to view my writing seems to be the best way to draw people in. I don’t have a great design right now, so it also gives people the option of avoiding that. When I have a better design (made by me or for me by someone else), I might change my mind.
If ads could be inserted into RSS (and if they can’t now, they probably will be shortly), I would do it, but not right now. It seems to be rude to have to see ads on a kid’s RSS feed when the blog is just starting. Later, I would probably have a system of having an ad-free RSS feed with just a short blurb, and an ad-supported full-post feed. That way if you want to check up on my site, you can do so and avoid advertisments until you see something you like, and if you want to read everything, there’s still some ads you might find interesting. I would also only do this if the ads were relevant text ads.
I don’t feel like someone is cheating me by reading my feed. If someone wants to support the site, I’m sure they’ll go check out the ads. If they just want to read, that’s cool. I’d like the same option on their site. The golden rule I guess.
Posted on August 31, 2004 08:58 AM | #
59. Roger Johansson said:
I use NetNewsWire Lite to keep track of when the sites I read have been updated, then just press right arrow to open each interesting post/article in a new tab in Safari. After I’ve gone through all new headlines, I switch to Safari and read them, dragging any items of interest to a folder on my desktop.
I haven’t tried any of the web based feed reader thingies yet. Maybe I’ll do that some day.
Whether the feeds contain full posts or summaries doesn’t matter to me, just as long as I can decide whether the post is interesting or not. I read everything in my browser anyway. Feeds that contain nothing but a headline for each post are no good though.
Posted on August 31, 2004 09:13 AM | #
60. Adrian said:
Do you use a feed-reader to read Asterisk (and other sites), and if so, do you prefer it to reading via a browser? - Yes I do. But when I see a new post, I go to the site inside the newsreader.
Do you like summaries or full text? - I like summaries. I really just want to know if there is a new post, and a brief “what it’s about” so I can decide whether I want to read the post.
Would you stop reading a site that didn’t offer full text? - No because if I want to read it, I’ll go to the site anyway.
Do you prefer summaries? - YES
What about feeds for separate categories, comments or topic groups? - I’d rather see everything and decide what to read from there. This is made a lot easier by having just summaries. It’s less to flog through, but the posts are easily accessible in that manner.
What about ads via RSS? If there were a way to insert adverts into news feeds would that bother you? - I’m not a big fan of that, but if it were done in a tasteful manner and had just a few ads here and there I would tolerate it. FYI, almost all the ZiffDavis RSS feeds insert text ads. It’s not done real often, so it’s tolerable.
What are your favorite feed-readers, or RSS aggregation/notification sites? - I use RSSReader. All my feeds are aquired by exploring sites and links in the blogosphere (and web).
So what’s your take on news feeds? - It’s a good thing if done right. If done wrong, it’s annoying and hard to use.
Posted on August 31, 2004 09:17 AM | #
61. Justin said:
I go Bloglines all the way, I know there’s probably better feed readers out there (via plug-ins or desktop apps) but then you’re constrained to the computer you happened to read the feed on.
I like to be able to browse new updates on my Windows PC at home, then go to work and browse updates there too… without having to sort through entries I already read at home. I also jump over to my Linux machine and enjoy seeing already read entries marked as read without having to do anything. Web-based feed readers all the way baby.
As for *how* I read my feeds, I always, always go to the source for my reading. I don’t like feeds that offer full-text of the entry because then I have to scroll down the page to see if there is more than one entry.
Posted on August 31, 2004 09:34 AM | #
62. Alex Miller said:
I read the summary of the post on my RSS reader, and if it sounds interesting, I open it in Safari. I dislike reading full posts in a news reader, because you loose the feel of the site.
Posted on August 31, 2004 10:14 AM | #
63. erica said:
i also use bloglines, and in a way very similar to several people here. i like it because i use three to four different computers throughout the day, and bloglines is web-based. i have my subscriptions organized by categories. usually i read news items right in the bloglines interface, but i visit the blogs in another tab to read the full posts.
people often post things like pictures, sidebar links, or your “song of the week” that you can only see by going to the actual site. and after missing a couple redesigns because i read the posts in bloglines, i’ve committed to actually going to the site for the ambience and to appreciate the design and other offerings.
Posted on August 31, 2004 10:39 AM | #
64. Peter (01010) said:
I use Bloglines. I only ever read the title or first couple of sentences. Then if it sounds interesting, I go to the site. I open everything in a new page, then go offline and read at my leisure, make my comments, then go online again and post them all. And repeat.
I prefer summaries only, because I don’t like wading through stuff I am not interested in. But I do like reading stuff I like in its author’s environment, the web site.
NO RSS ADS PLEASE!
Posted on August 31, 2004 11:00 AM | #
65. Roy said:
I use Bloglines as my news aggregator. I’m not sure how many people who say they like summaries better read more than 100+ blogs on a given day, but I *need* full text. I love the individual designs, but at the end of the day, I read for content … and the more content I can read in one place, the better. I stopped reading blogs that only offer summaries (unless they are really offering something that no one else offers) simply because of time constraints.
Back before RSS and ‘blogs’ became so mainstream, I would have to visit each site individually through a bookmarked list … and that took many many hours. Only now do I realize how great it is that I can quickly skim all 100+ blogs in about 20 minutes.
I don’t mind advertisements via RSS; it’s up to the content creator to figure out how to offset the costs of offering such a feed … so I have no qualms about it. It’s not as if it’s affecting my ability to read the content in any way …
As a side note, I was in Korea this summer, and after the Korean beheading, Korea decided to go the China-esque route and block the blogosphere (blogspot, livejournal, and typepad were all blocked). Although it was quite possible to use unipeak to visit each site, those sites that offered RSS feeds didn’t suffer … I could simply read the full-text feeds via Bloglines.
Any method of decentralizing the data … is a big plus. I think a lot of people miss this when they live in the States…
Posted on August 31, 2004 11:11 AM | #
66. Thomas Baekdal said:
I always use the newsreader, I dislike having to visit a site too get information. Because of this I also prefer full-text feeds, instead of the one just featuring a summary. It would have to be a very interesting site for me to read only summaries because it is essentially wasting my time.
I really prefer specific feeds, instead of just a single feed - mostly because that can take away the information that you have no interest in anyway. Take this site. I read your site because you have some interesting things to say in terms of usability and web design - but the other stuff, the “song of the week” and other more personal subjects I would rather be without (If I want to see that I can always visit your site).
Adds in RSS feeds - sure as long as you do not forget why people read the feed. They read the feed because of the content, not the add - so non-intrusive adds is fine (and it is possible to do).
I use and prefer NewsGator (I do have a number of other programs - e.g. NetNewsWire). The reason is that it is integrated into my communications program (Outlook 2003), so turning a news feed into a task, a calendar item - or mark it as a follow-up is just a matter of drag and drop.
Posted on August 31, 2004 11:11 AM | #
67. tom braman said:
Bloglines, because I check RSS feeds from multiple computers. I skim swiftly, and read probably 1-2 percent of the hundreds of headlines I see each day. Makes for fast research. It’s easy to skip over headline-style ads, so I don’t mind them. Prefer excerpts to full text, as excerpts make skimming easier.
Posted on August 31, 2004 11:17 AM | #
68. Greg Pfeil said:
Do you use a feed-reader to read Asterisk (and other sites), and if so, do you prefer it to reading via a browser?
I prefer reading the info in the aggregator, however, I do miss the design of the site. I think feed publishers should use the xml-stylesheet PI in their feeds (<?xml-stylesheet �…�?>) and wait for aggregators to start supporting it. I think this is the single biggest feature a news aggregator could offer me – the ability to see posts with the proper style. It already exists in XML, they just need to use it (I imagine it’d be simple with Apple’s WebCore).
Do you like summaries or full text?
I definitely prefer full text.
Would you stop reading a site that didn’t offer full text?
No, I have several feeds that only provide summaries. I think you have to consider whether it’s more important that people see the actual site, or that they read your content (the former is certainly valid – ad revenue, etc.). I find that I’m more likely to read the content if it’s a full text feed. The summary has to be pretty compelling for me to open it in a browser.
What about feeds for separate categories, comments or topic groups?
I think this is a great idea. I think the best way is to probably just have a single feed, but pass some GET parameters along, like “http://example.com/feed.xml?sections=web,personal,reviews”. And you can put one or two pre-built ones on the front page (like you do), then have a feed-builder page that has a form that allows people to select the sections they’re interested in and gives them back a custom URL. If a site has user-accounts, it could be handled by passing the username:password along as it is already handled in the URL spec.
What about ads via RSS? If there were a way to insert adverts into news feeds would that bother you?
I don’t think so. Of course, I’m sure I could be pissed off if they were obnoxious enough. Fake posts (ads masquerading as posts) would definitely piss me off, though.
What are your favorite feed-readers, or RSS aggregation/notification sites?
I read in NetNewsWire. I’ve tried PulpFiction and NewsFire, but neither has converted me yet.
I tend not to use aggregation sites. Or rather, I tend to grab all the feeds from them, since my reader allows me to group feeds in folders and view them together anyway – obviating the need for the aggregated feed. Then I can also delete a couple if I decide I don’t like them.
(Note: I tried to mark this up as a dictionary list, but MT stripped those tags. Grrrr.)
Posted on August 31, 2004 11:42 AM | #
69. Ruben said:
I use Feed on Feeds to retrieve various RSS feeds and load them into my own web site. I prefer summaries, so the full texts I also summarize myself. I want to read all posts in their own layout.
(I don’t use news feeds - I prefer Google News Alerts and e-mail newsletters, don’t know why actually)
Posted on August 31, 2004 12:04 PM | #
70. Alf Kåre Lefdal said:
I use Opera’s built in newsfeed reader, and that working very well.
By using the RSS feeds I’m automatically notified when a new article is published, and I don’t have to go to the web site regularly to check for them. They appear alongside my incoming email and any news sites (NNTP) I subscribe to.
I usually prefer the RSS-feed with a title, a short abstract, and a link to the original page, mostly because the articles have better readability on the web.
Posted on August 31, 2004 12:20 PM | #
71. Brian Behrend said:
I switched from Sage (Firefox extension) to Bloglines about a month ago and couldn’t be more satisfied. It fits my browsing habits perfectly, as a server-based solution allows me to get the same feeds and is accurate about read/unread at the 3 or 4 computers I use daily.
For most sites (including yours) if a post is over a sentence or two long I visit the site to read it. Plus one of the main reasons I have something like 50 web design feeds is because I enjoy the aesthetics. I guess if a site looked like crap but had quality content (arstechnica.com comes to mind) I would read the post from within Bloglines.
Posted on August 31, 2004 12:53 PM | #
72. Roy said:
Do you use a feed-reader to read Asterisk (and other sites), and if so, do you prefer it to reading via a browser?
I use FeedDemon as my primary feed-reader. I’m fairly new to using a reader so I’ve been trying out several (Sage, Pluck, NewsGator, BlogExpress, SharpReader, Opera 7.5 Reader, Awasu and a couple of others). Since I don’t use Outlook or IE very often, I settled on FeedDemon. If the title or summary grabs my interest, I right click the link and open it within a full new “browser” window within FeedDemon. That way I can keep scanning through my feeds and then come back and read the whole article. On rare occasions I sometimes copy the link and post it in another browser for reading.
Do you like summaries or full text?
I like summaries so that I can quickly make a determination if I wish to read the entire article.
Would you stop reading a site that didn’t offer full text?
No, not necessarily. What I don’t like is just titles. Many times a title just doesn’t convey enough information for me to quickly decide if I want to read more.
What about feeds for separate categories, comments or topic groups?
If a blogger is a prolific writer and knowledgeable in several areas, then separate categories makes good sense.
What about ads via RSS? If there were a way to insert adverts into news feeds would that bother you?
If you mean ads within the content of a feed, I would not like that. Both National Geographic News and Scientific American publish separate advert posts along with their regular posts. That I can tolerate as I have the choice to view those adverts or not and each one is labeled with ADV for easy identificaton.
What are your favorite feed-readers, or RSS aggregation/notification sites?
FeedDemon is my primary feed-reader. I use Opera 7.5’s built-in reader for monitoring a few select sites. Opera’s reader uses their M2 mail client technology that stores all posts in a database and I can apply labels to help sort things. It is somewhat similar to the technology being used by Google’s Gmail. The only downside is it’s basically text only; however, if you click the article link, it opens within another tab for a full browser view, which is great.
I don’t to use aggregation sites. FeedDemon had quite a few default feeds already in place. I deleted the ones I didn’t want and began adding others that were of interest to me. I’m slowly building up a larger number of feeds from other feeds that I read. That is how I found your site which is beautifully designed by the way.
Posted on August 31, 2004 03:05 PM | #
73. Peter (01010) said:
From reading those 71 comments it seems that:
1 Bloglines is by far the most popular reader.
2 Everyone appreciates a well-written summary or first sentence.
3 Firefox-plugin or Opera or Bloglines users like summaries.
4 Non-ffplugin/opera/blogline users are more likely to like full feeds.
5 Almost everyone clicks through to the web site.
6 Only a few just read the feeds.
7 There is opposition to ads but most people are resigned or ambivalent to them.
Posted on August 31, 2004 03:11 PM | #
74. Pat McDonald said:
Bloglines is the way to go. Out of town…no worries, just log on to bloglines.
the summary format is easy on my eyes and it lets me move quickly on to the things I want to read.
-Pat
http://www.firefoxtoolbar.com/bloglines
Posted on August 31, 2004 04:49 PM | #
75. Jason said:
I think a very important point (I only read about 75% of the comments) that has been missed so far is usability with respect to bandwidth. I’m a college student who has T3 line access 9 months a year, and snail speed dial-up the other 3. During my time at college I usually visit the sites themselves. However, despite how streamlined html and css have dramatically reduced download times, there still remains a drastic time difference between visiting all these sites and simply reading articles in my newsreader (NewsGator). In the time it takes for me to visit maybe two blogs (or even view 2 or 3 articles on the same blog) I can have all of my 75 subscriptions downloaded to my RSS reader. Because of my slow connection during the summer, an article must be VERY enticing before I visit the site. I am probably missing out on a lot of interesting things, but the time/value-added trade-off just doesn’t cut it. For this reason, I am extremely grateful for your producing 2 feeds. I only wish all other sites had a “full-post” feed. Of course, this is a moot point while I am at school. (God I miss my LAN…)
Posted on August 31, 2004 05:47 PM | #
76. Jim Amos said:
Wow that’s a lot of feedback. Looks like I got to the party really late. Is there any beer left? How about pretzels?
Personally I only read feeds occasionaly, and when I do I’m logged into bloglines. Mostly I use it to check on my own feed and to see if anyone has subscribed to me (recently lost 2 subscribers for mentioning that I don’t like Bush lol)
I think I’ll always prefer to read web design blogs as html in my browser, because it’s half the fun, and because I am a visual designer so I don’t want to miss out on new graphical additions. For news channels and general info I’ll probably start using rss more in the future, since none of those websites ever have attractive designs anyway.
I don’t think feeds should have ads, we’ve got enough advertising everywhere else in our lives, wouldn’t it be nice if just one place was ad free?
Now, where did you say you kept the cheesy puffs?
Posted on August 31, 2004 06:07 PM | #
77. Lashlar said:
I use FeedDemon. Generally, my feed reading pattern is like this:
I pull in all the feeds (sorted by category: law, China, web design, politics, news, transhumanism, literature, et cetera).
While sipping my morning coffee, I run through the post summaries, mentally marking off items I know I’m not likely to read unless I have a surplus of spare time.
If the site offers a full-post feed, I’m usually subscribed to it and I read the post in FeedDemon. That way I don’t have to waste time (and bandwidth) going to the site. Unless I want to comment, that is.
If the site offers only summaries, I categorize them into “must read now”, “can be glanced at later”, and “don’t mind if I don’t read it”, then fire up Firefox to read the “must read now” category. Sometime during the week, if law school isn’t killing me, I look through the “can be glanced at later” list and see whether there are any summaries that look interesting enough to read.
So in general, I tend to read every article by a site that publishes a full-post feed, but be more selective (because of time constraints) in reading posts from sites with only summaries.
Posted on August 31, 2004 06:28 PM | #
78. Lachlan Hardy said:
I subscribe to (currently) 131 feeds via RSS Bandit. I prefer full feeds, but I usually click through to the page anyway if I want to keep the link for my database (that way you get the hit if I value whatever was on the page)
I dislike summaries as they often waste my time. Few folks take the time to write them correctly, so I’ll click through thinking that I am getting some new info on a topic only to find that it is the same hackneyed crap about the iMac G5 (to use a current example) that everyone else wrote today
I subscribe to the full Asterisk feeds, but I don’t often click-through for the music posts (our taste coincides in some areas but not most). Whereas I click-through for very nearly every web-related post you make
The ideal RSS feed for me would be dynamic. I figure that I should be able to go to a site’s RSS page, select a bunch of options, and be provided with a link to access that feed according to my own specifications. The options would include things such as categories as well as the form for the feed. I guess this must be hard as no one seems to have done it yet, but I’m working on it at the moment and I haven’t found any problems so far
As for ads, if they are done as per ads on websites such as this, then I have no problems as I won’t notice them anyway. I think the big problem is that the kind of sites who would be including ads in feeds already are the kind of sites that would have large ads in the midst of content etc. So their typical ads are hardly conducive to the style (or lack thereof) of feeds
Posted on August 31, 2004 10:48 PM | #
79. The Mad Dater said:
Hey dkr,
Glad to see the site is still doing really well (I used to work for needa, so I’ve spoken to you a few times - albiet (sp) under my real name - lol). I was actually over on the RSS weblog and saw the link to this and thought I’d give you an answer:
1. I use My Yahoo and think it’s great I can read my mail and feeds at the same time (though I think outlook will eventuall do this as well - so I hear)
2. I like summaries.
3. Ads are no prob, as long as I know they are ads. (Ya gotta make money)
4. I use bloglines as well - I used to use it before my yahoo.
5. I think feeds are great. The news, job listings, blog updates I want comes to me - so I don’t haver to continually check a site for those updates.
Keep up the good work. I’ll add ya to My Yahoo.
Posted on September 1, 2004 08:39 AM | #
80. didier said:
I like having full text available. That means not having to go directly to the website if I don’t want to. In fact, I tend to delete those that only provide summaries. When you have 50 feeds to go through, you want to waste the least amount of time as possible.
I use Feed On Feeds and update every 30 mins or so. It is the ideal newsreader for me because I can use it anywhere I get internet access. I heard about bloglines, but I don’t wantto tkae the time yet to learn how to use it.
Ads are ok.
Posted on September 2, 2004 01:40 PM | #
81. Phil Knox said:
Something I haven’t seen mentioned - and I’m not sure how well it compares to other aggregators - but I actually use my livejournal “friends” page to get RSS feeds, and it works quite well. The fact that it’s integrated into my livejournal means that I can get updates from my social circle and from my news sources from the same spot. I’m sure it wouldn’t be as useful if I got more than 15 feeds or so, but for my purposes it’s great so far.
I prefer the full RSS feeds when possible, but not if it comes with advertising. I’m perfectly fine with getting the summmary and clicking through if it interests me, as opposed to getting adverts on my friends page.
Posted on September 3, 2004 07:58 AM | #
82. Dorai Thodla said:
I use bloglines and read my feeds 2/3 times a day. I spend most of the time reading blogs in my special areas of interest.
Some times blogs refer to other blogs. If the quote is interesting and from a person who is not in my blog list, I go to the website and read earlier posts.
Whenever I see a reference to a blog in one of my favorite blogs, I add them to the list, read them for a while and remove them if I do not read them often enough.
I also look at the blogrolls of my favorite bloggers and add them to my reading list.
Posted on September 9, 2004 07:07 AM | #
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